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That's totally insane. Spurs would never do that for a player with 0 NBA games who could be a bust and didn't show anything suggesting he's worth that.
We can’t actually do that. Only Charlotte can, and they’ll require an incentive.
That's totally insane. Spurs would never do that for a player with 0 NBA games who could be a bust and didn't show anything suggesting he's worth that.
Yeah, what a dumb comment by me. What I meant to say is we trade the pick back to them!
Agreed 1000%
I understand not wanting to overwork him but if they keep him to 25 minutes a night that is BS
They've never held back a rookie that was good. Never. I mean look at how much run Sochan got.
I do not, but its also important to note that those picks are now more valuable than they were when we got them. The chances of ATL being bad are higher now. The draft picks are one year closer to conveying.
Spurs should hold onto those picks barring a must take trade, but lets not act like those assets haven't' appreciated in the last year.
That's INSANE. It's pretty much everything we got for Dejounte, Poeltl, plus young players who have proven they can play in Keldon and Branham. HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE DEAL. Moves like these are what ruin a franchise.
Which is why PATIENCE IS NEEDED. The Spurs will get there, but Sochan, Branham and the rest of the core are not yet ready, and neither is Wemby TBH. I can see him making the all star team soon (maybe even this season, mainly on hype), but contending is just another ball game. This season should be focused on getting Wemby's feet firmly set in the league, developing the cast and the chemistry together. Maybe do a few trades, get a physical center to protect him (Plumlee?) and a veteran PG plus some shooting, pick up a couple interesting prospects and go from there. I think we could be in contention by year 3, which is '25 and coincidentally it's a big free agency offseason. If everything evolves faster than expected, then you can always make a bigger trade next year, or whenever an interesting piece becomes available. If you burn your assets prematurely for pennies on the dollar you end up just like Dallas and Wemby will ask for a trade after his rookie extension.
You don't make any boneheaded "We're going all in" decisions. If executed perfectly, the Spurs can build the most dominant roster in NBA history. Even more dominant than the Dubs with KD. Yeah I said it.
Wemby needs some weight and development. Safe option is to get more picks or move up in the draft to get another player. Spurs will not risk Wemby this year with too much load.
NYK has Evan Fournier bad contract and a lot of picks to trade and Dallas' 10th pick is the most to watch because of Bertans and Hardaway contracts. Both teams need a desperate move to compete next year and Bertans have only 5M guarantees in 2024-2025.
Also Fournier could help Wemby in many aspects.
The last thing we want is this kid gaining a bunch of weight. Let his body fill out naturally as he ages.
Last edited by BacktoBasics; 05-19-2023 at 10:42 AM.
It makes more sense to me to be patient with Wemby’s development, let things roll with the young players, and take their chances with all the draft picks at pulling off what OKC and GSW did over a few years of drafting.
As he enters his early 20’s he will bulk up some.
No one has ever drafted a rookie quite like Wemby...and Sochan is built like a Truck..lol
The other trade that seems interesting to me is:
SAS: Harris + 29FRP
PHI: Berch + Graham
Spurs eat 19M and next a FRP. Too steep? Not sure was going rate for FRP is these days.
IDK, 29 FRP’s seems a bit drastic.
how about that wanker kyrie for pg?
Do you want to us to self-destruct? Cuz that's how you self-destruct.
Ha— I meant Philly’s 2029 FRP, which by my count is the first they can trade in a while.
Jesus, is Philly that tapped out? Man, they're in trouble.
Yeah, it’s pretty bad. And it would suck extra if they lose Harden for nothing.
This is what I keep looking at. People are willing to trade everything for a player that might become good. I would rather hold onto the picks. Ben was a cant miss player so was Zion, Fultz. Some others that were supposed to be good but have not done much. Ja, Tre young, Ayton, Luka (yes luka). These players have all had good stats but have also shown to be immature at time. None of them except Ayton has had much PO success and Ayton was not the leader.
If I looked at it correctly only 1 first pick in the last 10 NBA Drafts has won a ring and that was Wiggins. When you get to the 2nd pick I am guessing it gets less likely they are as good. You win in the NBA by building a team and making some good picks but there are still unknown players found every year. Other way to build is by trading for stars but that misses a lot of the time also.
Looking at the last several years of champs.
GSW -Curry/thompson neither a 1st overall pick. 7/11
Bucks- Giannis 15th good supporting cast- holiday/lopez/ middleton 17/10/39
LA- Bron AD both first but lookout let them get healthy to win.
Raptors- Kawhi 15
2016 Cavs- Bron and Kirie Both first
When you look at some of the best players in the league currently only One I can think of that went # 1 is is embid
Jokic and Giannis went later
Even going to 2nd level not a lot of #1s as most of the ones that did anything are getting old.
What I am saying is dont try and force it. If we see a good deal go for it but it is not worth gutting our future for someone that may or may not turn out to be good or even if they are good how will they behave and what drama will they cause. Scoot is already saying he should be # 1 would that get brought up in practice? Would that cause him to leave earlier or want out if is doing well to so he can show he was leading the team.
Last edited by talkspurs; 05-21-2023 at 10:37 AM.
so is the best case conversion, 2 Second round picks gets a late first (from salary stressed teams, otherwise 2 srp gets a better srp), 2 late first get a late lottery, 2 late lottery gets close to a mid lottery so we maybe have 4 extra FRP if we convert things optimally and dont just sell picks. Anyone had a more scientific way of determining this?
There is no conversion chart. The values are fluid, depending on cir stances and availability of FRPs on the marketplace.
The key here and why it’s important is because if you want to cash in on a disgruntled star via trade, you absolutely want to keep control of your OWN picks in the process. So if you do the work now and stockpile other picks, you can still make those trades for a star AND control your own destiny as a back up plan and/or to keep adding to team via rookie scale deals.
It’s absolutely critical to have control over your own picks whether rebuilding or building a contender
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