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    While I agree that getting a pg to play with Wemby early to develop chemistry, I like the idea of a vet to start him off. Then over the next couple of drafts, the Spurs have a lot of picks to find the right fit after they see how year one plays out. definitely need shooters and defenders so I'd say focus on those unless a great fit for a front court partner falls. Personally, I'd be very much in favour of bringing Poetl back to pair with his, assuming he wanted to return.

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    My gut feels like this problem won't be solved this off season unless they make a move to try and bring in another rookie

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    Tre Jones is our Jon Sunvold?
    Nah. Sunvold could actually shoot the ball.

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    Should the Spurs consider trading the Hawks a pick back for the instagram baller? The combo of Dejounte and Trae wasn't as successful as expected and they might not want to pay him. Should/would the Spurs trade a pick to put him on point of this team? Murray with the other players we have would be a great team defensively and man that length. He is probably better than anything we could expect to nab with a non-lottery pick.

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    What would it take to get Halliburton from Indy? defender, but should fit really well on offense.

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    I would skip the PG draft hopefuls and try to steal Immanuel Quickley from the Knicks. He's still only 23-- so barely older than the current draft prospects, has three proven seasons of incredible impact numbers on his resumé but without the gaudy numbers that always result in max contracts, and in 21 starts put up 22.6ppg, 5.4 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.3 TO, 40.1 3ptFG% while also being a 6MOTY candidate. At best, he blossoms into a very good PG, and at worst a valuable and versatile glue guy. The Knicks have too many guards, and pairing the 6'3" Quickley with the 6'1" Brunson isn't ideal... but a 6'3" IQ + a 6'5" Devin Vassell is. I think a gamble on him as your future PG is a good one.
    Good post! Realistically what do you think the Knicks would want form him?

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    What would it take to get Halliburton from Indy? defender, but should fit really well on offense.
    While I doubt there is anyone on this board who would be against this, I think the consensus is that he is practically untouchable for Indy.

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    Should the Spurs consider trading the Hawks a pick back for the instagram baller? The combo of Dejounte and Trae wasn't as successful as expected and they might not want to pay him. Should/would the Spurs trade a pick to put him on point of this team? Murray with the other players we have would be a great team defensively and man that length. He is probably better than anything we could expect to nab with a non-lottery pick.
    nah. if they really want murray back, just sign him outright as a UFA in 2024

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    While I doubt there is anyone on this board who would be against this, I think the consensus is that he is practically untouchable for Indy.
    Seems like they are more likely to try and dump Hield and Turner and try build around Mathurin and Haliburton, but we can always dream.

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    nah. if they really want murray back, just sign him outright as a UFA in 2024
    I'd rather they don't consider it, he's not a good culture fit and he was speaking too much about his time here.

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    A steady PG will certainly help the development of all the young players. Re-signing Tre Jones would be good but if it doesn't happen a player like Jevon Carter would be a decent option.
    Good to see you around old timer!

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    Good post! Realistically what do you think the Knicks would want form him?
    That seems like a good less expected target. A draft pick plus filler? I will defer to the trade machinists.

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    Mine too, but man is he a bandwagon NBA fan.
    I thought he was a Sixers fan, cause of being from Pennsylvania

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    If Charlotte decides to take Scoot Terry Rozier would probably become available. Either him or LaMelo. Rozier wouldn’t be my first choice, but he’d be a decent placeholder.

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    Take on CP3 contract for a couple years, he would make Wemby's transition so much easier. It would get him 4 to 6 wide open layups/dunks per game.

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    Find me an under the radar, crafty Argentinian PG. This is the Bizarro TP/Manu duo we need.

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    Take on CP3 contract for a couple years, he would make Wemby's transition so much easier. It would get him 4 to 6 wide open layups/dunks per game.
    He's washed, and can't make it past the first or second round of the playoffs any more. He has some kind of chronic hamstring issue, and it bites him (and his team) every year.

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    Here are Kobe Bufkin's shooting stats the last 10 games of the season.

    66-127
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    29-32

    If I did my math right. Basically, almost a third of the season, a point when Michigan increasingly relied on him, a point where Michigan was playing must-win games. (Didn't win enough of them, but wouldn't say that was his fault.)

    Now... he's a young sop re, so this wasn't an acceleration at the end of his first year. It might be noise. But:

    .519 fg%
    .444 3p%
    .906 ft%

    In some ways he's a mini-Haliburton (https://www.tankathon.com/players/co...ese-haliburton). Not nearly the player Haliburton was as a sop re -- and how did so many teams skip on him?? -- but similar kinds of production.
    I like Bufkin more than Black. I don't like Black's shooting form.

    Bufkin will also cost less to move up for. Bufkin looks solid in all areas. Black needs better shooting.

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    I'm not a fan of Paul as I've said. However reading this and the center discussion makes me want to say that STers are putting way too much emphasis on youth. Most of the players who are on the team now won't be on the team in four or five years. The Spurs having mainly the same rotation pieces in pace for a half-decade back in the day is the exception, not the rule. They don't need a young PG to grow with the team, and they don't need a young center to play with Wemby for 10 years. They just need players that work for now, and those guys can be of any age. So yeah, it can mean to draft someone or sign a young vet. But it can also mean to bring in guys in their last years or give shots to middle-aged NBA players. The Spurs thrived on having a multi-generational roster, and they should look into instilling that now. The last thing they should want is a bunch of guys trying to develop at the same time and wanting escalating contracts as they improve.

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    I'm not a fan of Paul as I've said. However reading this and the center discussion makes me want to say that STers are putting way too much emphasis on youth. Most of the players who are on the team now won't be on the team in four or five years. The Spurs having mainly the same rotation pieces in pace for a half-decade back in the day is the exception, not the rule. They don't need a young PG to grow with the team, and they don't need a young center to play with Wemby for 10 years. They just need players that work for now, and those guys can be of any age. So yeah, it can mean to draft someone or sign a young vet. But it can also mean to bring in guys in their last years or give shots to middle-aged NBA players. The Spurs thrived on having a multi-generational roster, and they should look into instilling that now. The last thing they should want is a bunch of guys trying to develop at the same time and wanting escalating contracts as they improve.
    The Spurs were successful for a long time because they didn't have a revolving door with their top core players.

    It's the way the Spurs found success in the past and I think they will try again to recreate that.

    Bringing in older guys like Paul will create a revolving door approach and the older vets are more costly.
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    Good post! Realistically what do you think the Knicks would want form him?
    I think KJ for IQ + Evan Fournier might get it done. The Knicks have a bottleneck of guards/small players, and Brunson is the established PG leader. I don't care about Fournier, but it relieves the Knicks of one year of his salary, plus gives VW a French teammate. If that doesn't work, try KJ + Devonte Graham for IQ + Fournier + Derrick Rose (+ SRP?). Knicks get a young back up guard to replace IQ, plus KJ's shooting. Again, don't care about Fournier or Rose, but it gives the Knicks relief and both are only on the books for a year with the Spurs. I don't see KJ or Devonte being a part of a future VW led team, so losing them combined with the cap relief for the Spurs to start the '25 season (when Fournier & Rose expire) seems like a good deal to me.

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    He's washed, and can't make it past the first or second round of the playoffs any more. He has some kind of chronic hamstring issue, and it bites him (and his team) every year.
    So? We don't want him to contend.

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    The Spurs were successful for a long time because they didn't have a revolving door with their top core players.

    It's the way the Spurs found success in the past and I think they will try again to recreate that.

    Bringing in older guys like Paul will create a revolving door approach and the older vets are more costly.
    The Spurs didn't have a revolving door, but they did change their core multiple times. It's not realistic to keep guys together for years in a post-Lebron era where taking less money is considered a sucker's play. You bring in a 23 year-old role-player and he'll be gone when he's 26. There's zero reason to try to pencil in a rotation that will be intact long enough to "grow together". MAYBE the very core will be around a couple of contracts, but when we're talking about the 6-8 men, no. They will move on if they're any good.

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    I think the “core” is the top 3 or 4 players. The Spurs had Tim-Manu-Tony for 14 years. Bowen was part of the core for eight years. Kawhi was there for six (not counting the flake-out year). The other players churned over the years.

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    It's easy to stick with a "core" if those guys are Timmy, Manu, and Tony. Very different scenario coming off four consecutive losing seasons.

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