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    yeah, it was a weird 3-way deal (or 2 2-ways?): https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/06/...o-pistons.html
    Basically:
    Charlotte sends #13 (Duren) to NY for Denver's '23 1st rounder + 4 second rounders
    NY then sends #13 (Duren) to Detroit for Milwaukee's '25 1st rounder + Kemba Walker's contract
    The important part of the deal (what sets the price of the pick) is what Charlotte got for #13, the rest is NY's messy dealings to make room for Brunson. Awful deal, but goes to show that you can't use a single deal as a universal measure of value, it depends on what teams need (and how badly), and that's different in every case. As a rule of thumb, I wouldn't expect most teams to take a projected late first + 4 2nds for a lottery pick, just like I wouldn't expect most teams to part with 3 1sts... somewhere in between (2 picks, pick + salary dump, pick + rotation player, etc) sounds more representative IMO.
    It's kudos to Detroit for jumping on that one.

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    One thing about getting another lottery pick. If they don't acquire it in advance, it's unlikely they'll be able to work anybody out at those spots. They'd need a strong idea of who the players are already.

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    One thing about getting another lottery pick. If they don't acquire it in advance, it's unlikely they'll be able to work anybody out at those spots. They'd need a strong idea of who the players are already.
    My guess is that it’s A player, not a group of players. They never worked out Kawhi, so that’s not a huge deal. They were probably at one of the recent pro days to see groups of players work out, and someone caught their eye, hence the recent chatter. They’ll workout a trade framework, or maybe a couple of prospective trades, and if their player is there, they’ll pull the trigger

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    One thing about getting another lottery pick. If they don't acquire it in advance, it's unlikely they'll be able to work anybody out at those spots. They'd need a strong idea of who the players are already.
    My guess is that it’s A player, not a group of players. They never worked out Kawhi, so that’s not a huge deal. They were probably at one of the recent pro days to see groups of players work out, and someone caught their eye, hence the recent chatter. They’ll workout a trade framework, or maybe a couple of prospective trades, and if their player is there, they’ll pull the trigger

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    My guess is that it’s A player, not a group of players. They never worked out Kawhi, so that’s not a huge deal. They were probably at one of the recent pro days to see groups of players work out, and someone caught their eye, hence the recent chatter. They’ll workout a trade framework, or maybe a couple of prospective trades, and if their player is there, they’ll pull the trigger
    I feel like they knew who they liked and were going for. They were probably starting to put them into tiers. Then they managed to pull Wemby.

    Most of those players are guys they can get in other drafts, or find lesser versions elsewhere.

    If they're really going after a lottery pick, it's likely someone with a skillset they really like and that player may be undervalued. Possibly their target pre-Wemby.

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    I feel like they knew who they liked and were going for. They were probably starting to put them into tiers. Then they managed to pull Wemby.

    Most of those players are guys they can get in other drafts, or find lesser versions elsewhere.

    If they're really going after a lottery pick, it's likely someone with a skillset they really like and that player may be undervalued. Possibly their target pre-Wemby.
    Yes, the spurs had players they liked and where going to target pre Wemby so those players will be the ones they will be considering in trades into the first round.

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    Yes, the spurs had players they liked and where going to target pre Wemby so those players will be the ones they will be considering in trades into the first round.
    Eh... You understood maybe 25% of what I said.

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    I feel like they knew who they liked and were going for. They were probably starting to put them into tiers. Then they managed to pull Wemby.

    Most of those players are guys they can get in other drafts, or find lesser versions elsewhere.

    If they're really going after a lottery pick, it's likely someone with a skillset they really like and that player may be undervalued. Possibly their target pre-Wemby.
    Makes sense.

    I could see them falling in love with Asur Thompson for example, and, pre-Wemby, really grappling with taking him at say 3 if that’s where they had landed. If Asur starts slipping to like Orlando or Wizards range, maybe they make an offer. But not just for s and giggles.

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    Makes sense.

    I could see them falling in love with Asur Thompson for example, and, pre-Wemby, really grappling with taking him at say 3 if that’s where they had landed. If Asur starts slipping to like Orlando or Wizards range, maybe they make an offer. But not just for s and giggles.
    I risk repeating myself over and over, lol, but there's another 6'7" player who can actually play defense (instead of just "has the potential"), can actually playmake and pass the ball, and whose iffy shooting nevertheless looks like Stephen Curry next to Ausar. Oh, and he's a year younger and played against much better compe ion.

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    I risk repeating myself over and over, lol, but there's another 6'7" player who can actually play defense (instead of just "has the potential"), can actually playmake and pass the ball, and whose iffy shooting nevertheless looks like Stephen Curry next to Ausar. Oh, and he's a year younger and played against much better compe ion.
    I read your point to be that pre-Wemby the Spurs may have already identified someone specific they liked (not necessarily that YOU had someone in mind you liked), and that under the right cir stances they would move into the lottery to get him. But not just to move into the draft for s and giggles.

    And my conjecture of Asur was going off the TMVP blogpost below about “whispers” the spurs where high on him.

    https://www.spurstalk.com/ausar-thom...outing-report/

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    I made this point in another thread, and I think it's relevant here: the Spurs have five young prospects entering their second year with Wemby coming in. Maybe more 19 year olds isn't what they need. I'd guess that the Spurs need some screen-setters and maybe one vet shooter. Dougie might fit in as a sharpshooter with this core, and maybe Graham if he can develop some consistency. As it sits, the Spurs are gonna have to make some roster decisions even if Victor is the only guy they draft.

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    I risk repeating myself over and over, lol, but there's another 6'7" player who can actually play defense (instead of just "has the potential"), can actually playmake and pass the ball, and whose iffy shooting nevertheless looks like Stephen Curry next to Ausar. Oh, and he's a year younger and played against much better compe ion.
    Sorry I'm late; you referring to Jeremy Black?
    Last edited by Obstructed_View; 05-28-2023 at 08:01 AM. Reason: Not editing it. Who TF is Jeremy?

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    I read your point to be that pre-Wemby the Spurs may have already identified someone specific they liked (not necessarily that YOU had someone in mind you liked), and that under the right cir stances they would move into the lottery to get him. But not just to move into the draft for s and giggles.

    And my conjecture of Asur was going off the TMVP blogpost below about “whispers” the spurs where high on him.

    https://www.spurstalk.com/ausar-thom...outing-report/
    Oh, I don't believe those rumors for a second.

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    Sorry I'm late; you referring to Jeremy Black?
    Frank Black, lead singer of the Pixies.

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    Sorry I'm late; you referring to Jeremy Black?
    Anthony, but I’d guess that’s correct.

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    I read your point to be that pre-Wemby the Spurs may have already identified someone specific they liked (not necessarily that YOU had someone in mind you liked), and that under the right cir stances they would move into the lottery to get him. But not just to move into the draft for s and giggles.

    And my conjecture of Asur was going off the TMVP blogpost below about “whispers” the spurs where high on him.

    https://www.spurstalk.com/ausar-thom...outing-report/
    That was supposedly some EC exec’s opinion of what the Spurs were interested in.

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    Anthony, but I’d guess that’s correct.
    Oh . I didn't realize I did that. Lol

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    Spurs aren't in the same situation than one month ago, they have now Wemby.

    A month ago, they might have viewed Amen and/or Ausar Thompson as great prospect. They might see them now as relatively poor fit to play alongside Wemby. It would be logical that outside shooting is now a bigger priority when evaluating prospects.

    On the other hand, they might be way higher on a player like Cason Wallace who went from a prospect with a limited upside to the perfect fit to be Spurs' future starting PG.

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    Spurs aren't in the same situation than one month ago, they have now Wemby.

    A month ago, they might have viewed Amen and/or Ausar Thompson as great prospect. They might see them now as relatively poor fit to play alongside Wemby. It would be logical that outside shooting is now a bigger priority when evaluating prospects.

    On the other hand, they might be way higher on a player like Cason Wallace who went from a prospect with a limited upside to the perfect fit to be Spurs' future starting PG.
    They shouldn’t be concerned about finding what fits around Wemby, but rather finding star talent. If they see Cason as a #2 guy, fine. But right now, in order to expedite the process and not waste any years like Cleveland did with LeBron starting off or what Dallas has done so far with Luka… they need to keep aiming for the moon with their picks and free agency.

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    For as much as people claim Scoot has a “me-first” type mentality that would be damaging to Wemby, Irving is pretty much that and LeBron has overlooked/ had overlooked all that because Irving was one of the players that helped him win despite all of it. Winning matters most, not opinions from armchair psychologists on this board nitpicking quotes from players they don’t like.

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    And I DON’T believe the Spurs don’t have those star-upside players on the team right now. One of them very well could be. What I’m saying is that they should keep building their deck until one of them rises to the top. Eventually one guy will.

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    Why are you obsessed with Scoot Henderson?

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    Why are you obsessed with Scoot Henderson?
    If we summed up the total number of posts you’ve brought up Scoot vs how many times I have, boy it would be a landslide. Post less. Nobody wants your ing opinion on everything.

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    If we summed up the total number of posts you’ve brought up Scoot vs how many times I have, boy it would be a landslide. Post less. Nobody wants your ing opinion on everything.
    But seriously, why do you want Scoot?

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    But seriously, why do you want Scoot?
    For the same reason there are groups of over 10 salaried professionals, each likely paid six figures, employed by multiple teams who rate him highly that somehow you have reduced to as simple as iF hE wAsNt nAmEd ScOot, He WoUldNt bE rATed hIgHly. Good job, you spit in the face of people who actually do their homework and don’t dumb things down to simplistic views.

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