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    Wednesday night is gonna be fire! Miami won’t lose at home. Denver fans seeing their season slipping away.

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    I was just annoyed at Miami’s effort. If these bas s just play their game, Denver will implode. Then again, this is a typical 6 game series. Miami gives 2 away and wins 4 outright. I’m sorry but I’m not impressed by Denver at all. Miami is simply beating themselves. It’s annoying to watch but it’ll be worth it when they win this series.
    Harlem it's ok to use your regular screen name we know it's you.

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    I thought TtoZ was timvp, tbh.

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    Heat most important player did not show up.
    Heatref gotta be influential or they got no chance.

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    Boom

    Champion type of Win

    We expectidited and Nuggies delivievered. Whooooo.

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    No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.
    You should back this up by betting your house on this.

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    Easier to replace them than make the type of personnel changes teams want to.




    Based on what, media narrative? Adding Butler mattered and lucking into Adebayo in the draft did. They got the former for the same reason O'Neal preferred to be traded to them and James and Bosh signed with them: location.

    Kerr lucked into getting Curry and Thompson as they were entering their prime and has admitted that he had Green penciled in as a 10-15 mpg combo forward, before Lee got injured and the rest is history. Not to mention Durant for a while.
    Because coaching matters means players don’t. unable to see simple exclusivities in concepts.

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    No. Heat win games 3/4. Nuggets win game 5 and Miami ends it at home in 6. Denver literally has no chance in of winning in South Beach. They lost the series last night.


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    Crazy how easy it is for Jokic to get triple doubles and they don't feel statpaddy like how Westbrick would get them.
    That's cause Jokic is actually efficient on offense. His TS% is miles ahead of Westbrook's.

    Surprisingly, their turnover rates are similar. Westbrook at his peak (late 2010s with the Thunder) had a TOV% of around 16, in line with his career mark of 16.1. Jokic this season had a TOV% of 17 and a career mark of 15.2.

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    You're saying contractual obligations prevent teams from moving problem players, so they instead move coaches to give the appearance to season ticket holders that they are serious about winning? I don't see any of that as media narrative. I see it as business.
    Or lack of assets/scarcity of archetype prevent teams from getting the caliber/types of players they want, but you can always fire a coach.

    The media narrative part is them cherry picking who they want to pretend is a genius, which are the ones who have formed relationships with them and feed them information.


    Because coaching matters means players don’t. unable to see simple exclusivities in concepts.
    If it matters so much, then why can you seemingly not articulate why it supposedly does? Don't spout results without context that were earned on the backs of players.

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    Or lack of assets/scarcity of archetype prevent teams from getting the caliber/types of players they want, but you can always fire a coach.

    The media narrative part is them cherry picking who they want to pretend is a genius, which are the ones who have formed relationships with them and feed them information.




    If it matters so much, then why can you seemingly not articulate why it supposedly does? Don't spout results without context that were earned on the backs of players.
    A). I didn’t say it matters “so much”. What does “so much” even means. However, coaching does not matter means coaching has no impact, which is demonstratively untrue.

    Teams like Houston underperforms due to lack of adequate coaching, a team like the warriors went from 1st round fodder to a dynasty from going from an incompetent coach to a great one. The vast majority of playoff series features at least some level of lineup and strategy changes to counter the other team, which is the most visible aspect of coaching, and they have shown clear differences game to game.

    Can a great coach lead a bunch of g leaguers to an nba le, or even the playoffs? I would say no. Would a bunch of Allstars with a terrible coach win a le? It would be tough but I don’t think it’s impossible. That said, a bunch of all stars with a great coach would be a dynasty. So it makes a difference. I’m not even sure what is there to argue.

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    A). I didn’t say it matters “so much”. What does “so much” even means. However, coaching does not matter means coaching has no impact, which is demonstratively untrue.

    Teams like Houston underperforms due to lack of adequate coaching, a team like the warriors went from 1st round fodder to a dynasty from going from an incompetent coach to a great one. The vast majority of playoff series features at least some level of lineup and strategy changes to counter the other team, which is the most visible aspect of coaching, and they have shown clear differences game to game.

    Can a great coach lead a bunch of g leaguers to an nba le, or even the playoffs? I would say no. Would a bunch of Allstars with a terrible coach win a le? It would be tough but I don’t think it’s impossible. That said, a bunch of all stars with a great coach would be a dynasty. So it makes a difference. I’m not even sure what is there to argue.
    Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

    Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

    Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

    Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely genized league.

    It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.
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    Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson
    They won 51 games once, that being in Jackson final year. They were under 50 the other 2 years.

    Jackson got beat 4-3 to Doc Rivers in Game 7.
    Do you know how hard it is to lose to Doc Rivers in a playoff Game 7?

    True, the ABC/Disney Warriors won with Potatoe Head and Luke Walton just as much as Fluffy Kerr for a couple long stints.
    Still, very sure Kerr offense >>>>>> Jacksons.

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    They won 51 games once, that being in Jackson final year. They were under 50 the other 2 years.

    Jackson got beat 4-3 to Doc Rivers in Game 7.
    Do you know how hard it is to lose to Doc Rivers in a playoff Game 7?

    True, the ABC/Disney Warriors won with Potatoe Head and Luke Walton just as much as Fluffy Kerr for a couple long stints.
    Still, very sure Kerr offense >>>>>> Jacksons.
    I didn't mean it literally, I meant they had coalesced into that.

    Jackson and Rivers didn't play and the latter had a better, more experienced team. Funny how that won out.

    Very sure Lue took over for Blatt and the Cavaliers pulled the greatest comeback in Finals history against the Warriors, yet he received little to no credit for it. Wonder why.

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    You might want to check Docs record when he had the "better, more experienced team."

    Race aside have you heard the ignoramus comments Jackson regularly makes for ESPN - Disney? If he was anywhere near that stupid as a coach it's a miracle that team drug him to 51 wins.

    Not sure how his self righteous hypocritical bull flew with the players either.

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    Lues punking of the Most Overated Bunch of Inssufferables Ever was an is superbly prop worthy.

    On my all time most enjoyable Finals list.

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    You might want to check Docs record when he had the "better, more experienced team."

    Race aside have you heard the ignoramus comments Jackson regularly makes for ESPN - Disney? If he was anywhere near that stupid as a coach it's a miracle that team drug him to 51 wins.

    Not sure how his self righteous hypocritical bull flew with the players either.
    I never said it guaranteed anything, but it doesn't hurt.

    No more ignorant than the ones Van Gundy regularly makes, yet he's lauded as an elite analyst and Jackson as some buffoon. Again, wonder why.

    Agreed on the last point.

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    No more ignorant than the ones Van Gundy regularly makes, yet he's lauded as an elite analyst and Jackson as some buffoon. Again, wonder why.
    Van Gundy seems to have toned down the idiocy this season. At least the times I've had the volume on.
    Particularly on the foul call replays.

    Yes they both overall are complete morons.
    In a world where Steven A Smith and Skip Bayless have risen to the top of the pay scale, it's surreal.
    Been known for years ABC Disney is a run by super pervs so there's that.

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    Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

    Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

    Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

    Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely genized league.

    It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.
    Again, you can't quantify these theories that have been perpetuated by the agenda driven media to brainwash the masses.

    Maybe the Rockets are just a toxic combination of young, immature, poor fitting and not as talented as believed.

    Maybe the Warriors, young and perennially a 50 win team under supposedly incompetent Jackson (I never hear about Collins being incompetent for not winning a championship with the Bulls; funny how virtually every black coach/executive/commentator apparently sucks at their job, but it's never about race), just hit their prime and fell ass backwards into the rest I mentioned.

    Virtually any coach can make the adjustments (Jokic himself scoffed at the notion of them recently) you claim. They wouldn't sniff this level if they didn't know the game and personnel inside and out. The notion that certain ones are outsmarting other ones is absurd, especially in a largely genized league.

    It mostly derives from race. Coaching is associated with ingenuity. Being black isn't. Therefore, if a group of mostly black athletes achieve at the highest level, it must be in large part because of the mostly white voices "leading" them.
    What kind of bull drivel is this? Maybe? So you’re not even sure if it’s true? So these billionaires would spend $10 m a year on coaches plus an entire coaching staff because of media driven fallacies? Why would they do so? If coaching doesn’t matter, then pay some random hobo the minimum wage to do the job. Because anybody can do it. Better yet, don’t even have one, the players should be able to just figure it out.

    The common perception is that coaching does matter. It is actually your burden of proof to prove otherwise. You have offered none other than rants.

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    Tim wasn't a 3pt threat though, so teams could let him roam around out there. Not so much with Jokic. Tim was a much better defender.
    Jokic is indeed a better shooter than Duncan from distance. I have no doubt though that Duncan would adapt and become respectable from 3 in this era.

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    Super excited to see what gameplan Spoelstra has in game 4. Sucks Herro won’t be playing, but it is what it is.

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    Jokic is indeed a better shooter than Duncan from distance. I have no doubt though that Duncan would adapt and become respectable from 3 in this era.
    Great players played to their strengths. They weren't jacks of all trades who could just shift focus and be great elsewhere. Tim wasn't a great free throw shooter either. He used the glass for a reason.

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    Great players played to their strengths. They weren't jacks of all trades who could just shift focus and be great elsewhere. Tim wasn't a great free throw shooter either. He used the glass for a reason.
    Just saying that I'm pretty sure he could adapt to the new era. He was just that good of a basketball player. Tim Duncan probably had the weirdest free-throw stats in history by a superstar. One season he'd be 60%, and then 80% in another. Just looking at his free-throw stats right now, yeah, he's all over the place.
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    What kind of bull drivel is this? Maybe? So you’re not even sure if it’s true? So these billionaires would spend $10 m a year on coaches plus an entire coaching staff because of media driven fallacies? Why would they do so? If coaching doesn’t matter, then pay some random hobo the minimum wage to do the job. Because anybody can do it. Better yet, don’t even have one, the players should be able to just figure it out.

    The common perception is that coaching does matter. It is actually your burden of proof to prove otherwise. You have offered none other than rants.
    Are you that dense? I was speaking rhetorically. Many of the billionaires have been brainwashed too and salaries are a product of the business continuing to grow. If you don't keep up with that, your organization will be seen as lacking credibility.

    I don't give a damn about the common perception. I can't "prove" it doesn't just like you can't prove it does (still haven't made a single point on this front, just the usual results without context and the narrative that surrounds them), but I can use common sense.

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    Are you that dense? I was speaking rhetorically. Many of the billionaires have been brainwashed too and salaries are a product of the business continuing to grow. If you don't keep up with that, your organization will be seen as lacking credibility.

    I don't give a damn about the common perception. I can't "prove" it doesn't just like you can't prove it does (still haven't made a single point on this front, just the usual results without context and the narrative that surrounds them), but I can use common sense.
    So you’re making up like some maga trump s or flat earthers and say it is because I think it is.

    Coaches have made a difference year after year, putting in hours of work to hone the skills of marginal talent and make them useful in a team setting for years. Larry brown coaching teams to over achieve year over year, pop making use of players like Danny green and Bruce Bowen. Then there are those who made strategic moves to upset other teams consistently. Your sole argument is that we don’t know what would happen if we removed coaches from the equation but you are sure it won’t make a difference, yet we have observed differences being made due to coaching decisions time and again.

    Bad coaches make teams under achieve. Good ones help them achieve potential and great ones help them over archive.

    And no, businesses lose reinvestment capital if they just choose to poor millions of dollars year over year in a function that serves no purpose.

    I have offered plenty of examples just in the previous post. You just chose to ignore it.

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