NBA: 2023 NBA Finals: Heat vs Nuggets

[Tyronn Lue]

Just saying that I'm pretty sure he could adapt to the new era. He was just that good of a basketball player. Tim Duncan probably had the weirdest free-throw stats in history by a superstar. One season he'd be 60%, and then 80% in another. Just looking at his free-throw stats right now, yeah, he's all over the place.

Not because he didn't work on them though. I'm saying GOAT players found their strengths early and capitalized on them, and those strengths made them unstoppable. That doesn't mean someone like Tim or KG could become knock down 3pt shooters if they worked at it or that Shaq could get his FT% into the 80s if the game demanded it more. Jokic has the qualities of being able to move and shoot like a smaller player. He has great hands, he's a fantastic rebounder, he can shoot the 3, he shoots FTs good, he's a serviceable defender, he's got fantastic court vision and good handles for a big, he's got the right body size and knows how to use it and his spatial awareness and timing slider is almost fully to the right. Coupled with confidence and level headedness, he's almost the perfect player. We shouldn't dismiss that by using "era" as a caveat.

[TD 21]

So you’re making up like some maga trump s or flat earthers and say it is because I think it is.

Coaches have made a difference year after year, putting in hours of work to hone the skills of marginal talent and make them useful in a team setting for years. Larry brown coaching teams to over achieve year over year, pop making use of players like Danny green and Bruce Bowen. Then there are those who made strategic moves to upset other teams consistently. Your sole argument is that we don’t know what would happen if we removed coaches from the equation but you are sure it won’t make a difference, yet we have observed differences being made due to coaching decisions time and again.

Bad coaches make teams under achieve. Good ones help them achieve potential and great ones help them over archive.

And no, businesses lose reinvestment capital if they just choose to poor millions of dollars year over year in a function that serves no purpose.

I have offered plenty of examples just in the previous post. You just chose to ignore it.

How is what you're doing any different? Overachieved according to what or whom? All media driven narrative to take the the majority of the credit that should go to young, mostly black players and instead hand it to old, mostly white coaches.

Bowen and Green were always 3 and D wings. Credit Pop for seeing the value of them before it became common place, but credit Duncan, Parker and Ginobili far more for being able to help perimeter players with limited ball skills thrive in significant roles and of course themselves for their rise from relative obscurity to prominence.

Again, dense. If the other 29 teams spend X amount on whatever area of the business, if you're not at least in the same neighborhood, you look like a joke.

[Spurs Homer]

Cool story.

love that video- i think joker probably should be mvp for that play alone!

[Chris Fall]

I think coaching can matter sometimes. But talent supercedes coaching the vast majority of the time, good or bad.

In a vacuum of a playoff series, coaching can be the deciding factor if the two teams are relatively even. If not, the more talented team will or should win like 95% of the time.

[MultiTroll]

Herro out Game 4.

[Robz4000]

Series ends Monday night.

[Barfunk]

Not because he didn't work on them though. I'm saying GOAT players found their strengths early and capitalized on them, and those strengths made them unstoppable. That doesn't mean someone like Tim or KG could become knock down 3pt shooters if they worked at it or that Shaq could get his FT% into the 80s if the game demanded it more. Jokic has the qualities of being able to move and shoot like a smaller player. He has great hands, he's a fantastic rebounder, he can shoot the 3, he shoots FTs good, he's a serviceable defender, he's got fantastic court vision and good handles for a big, he's got the right body size and knows how to use it and his spatial awareness and timing slider is almost fully to the right. Coupled with confidence and level headedness, he's almost the perfect player. We shouldn't dismiss that by using "era" as a caveat.

Well I mentioned the era because mainstream bandwagon fans try to dismiss Tim any way they can and say that he wouldn't flourish in this era. Believe you me man, I've heard it. I'm just saying that Tim would be a beast in the modern NBA, because just like Jokic today, he was a smart basketball player. Tim was in MVP discussions year in and year out and that's because he basically couldn't really jump anymore by the age of like 27. Obviously no way to prove it, but I think Tim could be a servicable shooter from distance in this era.

[Barfunk]

That's one of the few thing's that you can knock about Pop's system, in that not even a SMIDGEN of stat padding was allowed. The stars were yanked at the first reasonable opportunity and as a result the big three's stats were actually much lower than they were capable of. I guarantee you not even Kobe's or LeBron's stats would've survived Pop's system. Pop simply DID NOT allow players to get their numbers, and now we gotta deal with people who don't realize this fact and say that Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili weren't as good as Spurs fans think they are and or not as good as their contemporaries such as Kobe, Wade, CP3, KG etc.

[Barfunk]

Lez go Nuggets. Get this win against the Salami Skeet.

[Tyronn Lue]

Well I mentioned the era because mainstream bandwagon fans try to dismiss Tim any way they can and say that he wouldn't flourish in this era. Believe you me man, I've heard it. I'm just saying that Tim would be a beast in the modern NBA, because just like Jokic today, he was a smart basketball player. Tim was in MVP discussions year in and year out and that's because he basically couldn't really jump anymore by the age of like 27. Obviously no way to prove it, but I think Tim could be a servicable shooter from distance in this era.

If you could drop a prime TD into today's game he's unstoppable even more than he was. With that presence in the NBA today, other teams would need to build to defend against it. That would mean more big PFs and centers in the game. I think we're seeing a rebound of the big man, only this time that big is going to have attributes outside of the conventional size and one major strength.

[Barfunk]

Rubberneck and neck game thus far......

[Tyronn Lue]

Michael Porter Jr = Jeff Ayres

[benefactor]

Joker out there coaching. The Heat may have the advantage in the HC department, but they don't have a coach out there on the floor lining everyone out moment to moment

[ambchang]

How is what you're doing any different? Overachieved according to what or whom? All media driven narrative to take the the majority of the credit that should go to young, mostly black players and instead hand it to old, mostly white coaches.

Next time a coach got a larger pay cheque than the MLE you let me know, OK? This is just getting beyond stupid as your "argument" doesn't even have to do with the topic at hand. I have shown multiple examples where coaching did make a difference, you have offered nothing but hyperbole.

Bowen and Green were always 3 and D wings. Credit Pop for seeing the value of them before it became common place, but credit Duncan, Parker and Ginobili far more for being able to help perimeter players with limited ball skills thrive in significant roles and of course themselves for their rise from relative obscurity to prominence.

So did Pop see the value and integrate them in the system or not? Funny you mentioned Duncan, Parker and Ginobili because they had countless quotes crediting the importance of Popovich. BTW, the big three gets plenty of credit for the 4/5 les.

Again, dense. If the other 29 teams spend X amount on whatever area of the business, if you're not at least in the same neighborhood, you look like a joke.

We are not talking about 29 teams, we are talking about close to 80 years of league history, where teams went from barely having a coach, to player coaches, to full time coaches, to larger and larger coaching staffs.

And since when did looking like a joke stop teams from going outside of the norm? Mike Fratello slowing the game to a crawl with the Cavs were largely laughed at and criticized, he kept at it because they didn't have much talent. Mike D'antoni pulled in a SSoL game when the league was all dump it low type game, teams hiring trainers, taking on ,then going away from dancers, jumbotrons, different executive roles. Some of them stick, some of them don't, you know which ones stuck? The ones that make the team more money. I do not see any teams even trying to reduce the coaching staff size, the only teams that cheap out (like the Sterling Clippers) ended up playing like ass, and no teams followed it.

[MultiTroll]

HeatRef with a couple laughable calls on Jokic.

See where this ones headed.

[FrostKing]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half

[GAustex]

just no answer for the Big Sweaty!

[MultiTroll]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half

Denver
Jokic and Gordon carrying the O, particularly Gordons shooting. Joker nailed a couple super long treys and is somewhat doing the primary assist thing like Game 1.

Miami
some good ball movement strategry. Also Jimmy Buckets with his foul grifting per par.

Undisputable: 2 foul calls on Joker were so obviously bogus. We're talking Kirby Bryant / Golden gots level riggin. Not sure why Malone did not challenge both of them, particularly the 1st. Lowry beats his man on a drive for the layup and Joker concedes. Don't think he literally even touched him. How obvious? Jeff Van Grunt stated "this could be challenged."

Next Bam does the age old wrap your man up and pull him down by his elbow(s). Replays clear as day. Malone again no challege.
Mission accomplshed, 2 fouls on Joker. Look for more to make it close or even give Miami the win.

[benefactor]

Just got home

What's the story of the 1st Half

More of the same. The better team is winning

[FrostKing]

Denver
Jokic and Gordon carrying the O, particularly Gordons shooting. Joker nailed a couple super long treys and is somewhat doing the primary assist thing like Game 1.

Miami
some good ball movement strategry. Also Jimmy Buckets with his foul grifting per par.

Undisputable: 2 foul calls on Joker were so obviously bogus. We're talking Kirby Bryant / Golden gots level riggin. Not sure why Malone did not challenge both of them, particularly the 1st. Lowry beats his man on a drive for the layup and Joker concedes. Don't think he literally even touched him. How obvious? Jeff Van Grunt stated "this could be challenged."

Next Bam does the age old wrap your man up and pull him down by his elbow(s). Replays clear as day. Malone again no challege.
Mission accomplshed, 2 fouls on Joker. Look for more to make it close or even give Miami the win.

Excellent. Appreciate the recap amigo.

[MultiTroll]

Stop forcing the O thru Murray.

Malone is sad.

[benefactor]

The Heat are swinging hard but they are just outgunned tbh. They won't win another game.

[timtonymanu]

That Miami dynasty for next 2-3 years looks good.

[MultiTroll]

Murrays off night shooting now returns to being ball distributor.

Thank you.

Denver shooting hot.
Miami answering, but Denver just aint missing.

[MultiTroll]

There ya go.

Completely bogus foul call to give Joker his 5th.