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    Gordon is solid and a disaster matchup for Miami (as well as most NBA teams today) but yah Brown/Braun have played too well @ Miami. On the flip side Heat role players haven't improved and arguably shrunk at Home. That's been very surprising.

    Maybe Heat have just run outta gas. Same happened to the Phillies in the '22 World Series. At this point we are nearly 2 months into the Postseason. That's alot of close games, road games etc for a team that likely is inferior in overall talent.
    Those 2 extra play in games certainly didn’t help matters. Then up 3-0 vs Boston and allowing that series to go 7 was even worse. Add in the injuries to Oladipo/Herro as well. If Miami somehow doesn’t win this series, they will retool this roster a little. They have tradeable assets and a good ing core.

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    Heat have won by being tougher and some guys playing way over their heads, not because of talent. It's not the ideal situation, but they certainly deserve credit for having gotten this far. Winning by sheer will at this level is impressive, usually not sustainable

    Miami needs to add another primary scorer capable of consistently scoring 20-25 a game in the playoffs. Maybe Herro could have possibly been that idk. And they need an additional big who has legitimate center size and can get up and down the court. Needing to rely on a 6'8, 50 year old Kevin Love to match up against Denver's size was always going to be just a loose band-aid.

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    miami ing sucks -

    this was as close as they will ever sniff another finals -and now -

    it will be maybe after riley is dead and maybe 50 years from now

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    miami ing sucks -

    this was as close as they will ever sniff another finals -and now -

    it will be maybe after riley is dead and maybe 50 years from now
    I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.

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    Next time a coach got a larger pay cheque than the MLE you let me know, OK? I have shown multiple examples where coaching did make a difference, you have offered nothing but hyperbole.
    Again conflating credit with contract, when that's clearly not what I was talking about.

    No, you haven't. You've decided because either in your opinion or the one the national media foisted upon you at the time, that those were examples of coaching "making a difference" (while mostly speaking in generalities), but you can't prove anything.


    So did Pop see the value and integrate them in the system or not? Funny you mentioned Duncan, Parker and Ginobili because they had countless quotes crediting the importance of Popovich. BTW, the big three gets plenty of credit for the 4/5 les.
    In general, not "in the system". Role players with positional size who can shoot and defend were always valuable, it was just rare to see perimeter players with such limited ball skills in relatively significant roles.

    Of course they did. Man, you're dense and naive. You really don't seem to understand how this song and dance works. The big three receive little credit relative to comparable situations, because it's all about the "culture" and "system" here.

    We are not talking about 29 teams, we are talking about close to 80 years of league history, where teams went from barely having a coach, to player coaches, to full time coaches, to larger and larger coaching staffs.
    We are. We're talking about keeping up with modern practice's. Everyone is looking for every little edge they can find, real or perceived.

    But again, the notion that certain ones know something others don't x's and o's wise, is absurd, as is that veteran or high IQ players require them.

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    Refs, particularly Foster.

    In rigging those calls to get Joker out, and not merely the 5th but the 1st two foul calls......
    Were they hoping to land the win to Miami but Denver was simply too good, particularly Gorden and Browns shooting

    or

    Were they just attempting to affect the line?

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    Heat have won by being tougher and some guys playing way over their heads, not because of talent. It's not the ideal situation, but they certainly deserve credit for having gotten this far. Winning by sheer will at this level is impressive, usually not sustainable

    Miami needs to add another primary scorer capable of consistently scoring 20-25 a game in the playoffs. Maybe Herro could have possibly been that idk. And they need an additional big who has legitimate center size and can get up and down the court. Needing to rely on a 6'8, 50 year old Kevin Love to match up against Denver's size was always going to be just a loose band-aid.
    They lack a true elite #1. Butler just hunts the mismatch on a smaller defender. If he can't get that favorable matchup he just defers. Most guys with good size/mobility (like Gordon) force him to defer. even some elite smaller defenders can give him trouble (DWhite).

    True #1s it doesn't really matter who you put on them. They will get theirs.

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    They lack a true elite #1. Butler just hunts the mismatch on a smaller defender. If he can't get that favorable matchup he just defers. Most guys with good size/mobility (like Gordon) force him to defer. even some elite smaller defenders can give him trouble (DWhite).

    True #1s it doesn't really matter who you put on them. They will get theirs.

    That’s absolute bull . Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I ing can’t wait for Miami to win this in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.

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    That’s absolute bull . Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I ing can’t wait for Miami to win this in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.
    Why doesn't Spo just tell his team to stop beating themselves? Is he stupid?

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    Big Serb is best player and makes his teammates better
    Heat not this year.

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    I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.
    That good management dies when Riley is done. Look at how dip Mickey Arison blew up that team nine years ago by amnestying Mike Miller and pissing LeBron off.

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    Holy Joker



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    Florida Panthers down 1-3 in the Stanley Cup Finals

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    Denver in 5, s over, Miami flukey run is finally over!!!
    Last edited by LakerHater; 06-10-2023 at 10:39 PM.

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    That’s absolute bull . Butler is a top 5 player in the league. I ing can’t wait for Miami to win this in 7 with Butler winning Finals MVP. This is gonna be poetic. Your Spurs haven’t been worth a for over a decade now. Enjoy your #1 bust.
    The spurs last le wasn’t even 10 years ago. Miami’s last le was even earlier than theirs. I hope you’re here for game 5 though. Miami can still win in 7.

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    Refs, particularly Foster.

    In rigging those calls to get Joker out, and not merely the 5th but the 1st two foul calls......
    Were they hoping to land the win to Miami but Denver was simply too good, particularly Gorden and Browns shooting

    or

    Were they just attempting to affect the line?
    This is less corrosive to the NBA. One thing is for sure, the eyeball test says the officiating crew moves as a team, so you hear "letting them play" and "calling it close" a lot. If it wasn't a directive, different refs would call differently. It seems they have a game plan but in almost every instance you can find another explanation.

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    The spurs last le wasn’t even 10 years ago. Miami’s last le was even earlier than theirs. I hope you’re here for game 5 though. Miami can still win in 7.
    The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.

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    The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.
    Butler isn't even as good as Murray and Bam is nowhere close to Jokic. They both have some highlight style plays and haven't seemed to buy in to the fact that the scoreboard doesn't care how cool your dunk was. You can tell by how they both are now trying to fool the refs that they realize they cannot beat Denver in a 7 game series. When a team's best players start to resort to ery, you know desperation has set in and they've mentally surrendered from the actual compe ion.

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    The Heat will absolutely win in 7. Like I said, I hate they are in this position but they do play their best in elimination games. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Butler will have dominant games the rest of this series and the players will play inspired by it.
    I love you heart and support for Miami, bur its over.

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    I agree with you that their run was fluky but Miami will always have a chance every decade to be a contender simply because of their location. This allows them to attract players through free agency or trades. As long as they have good management it will be easy for them to build a team.
    Nikola Jovic is going to be a great future piece for Miami. Kid has tons of upside.

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    Again conflating credit with contract, when that's clearly not what I was talking about.

    No, you haven't. You've decided because either in your opinion or the one the national media foisted upon you at the time, that those were examples of coaching "making a difference" (while mostly speaking in generalities), but you can't prove anything.




    In general, not "in the system". Role players with positional size who can shoot and defend were always valuable, it was just rare to see perimeter players with such limited ball skills in relatively significant roles.

    Of course they did. Man, you're dense and naive. You really don't seem to understand how this song and dance works. The big three receive little credit relative to comparable situations, because it's all about the "culture" and "system" here.



    We are. We're talking about keeping up with modern practice's. Everyone is looking for every little edge they can find, real or perceived.

    But again, the notion that certain ones know something others don't x's and o's wise, is absurd, as is that veteran or high IQ players require them.
    Still zero examples on your end. All the examples on my end is some conspiracy theory going on for 80 years.

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    Still zero examples on your end. All the examples on my end is some conspiracy theory going on for 80 years.
    There are no "examples". As I said, I can't "prove" it doesn't any more than you can prove it does. Given that they all know the game like the back of their hand and the style of play is mostly genized, it's common sense.

    I never said anything about a "conspiracy theory", you're apparently too naive to know that there's a game within' a game (national media) that goes on.

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    That good management dies when Riley is done. Look at how dip Mickey Arison blew up that team nine years ago by amnestying Mike Miller and pissing LeBron off.
    Arison. Lebron took a ing paycut to go to Miami so they could sign someone like Miller. Miller was vital to Miami’s le runs. I was truly livid when that dumbass made that move.

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    Arison. Lebron took a ing paycut to go to Miami so they could sign someone like Miller. Miller was vital to Miami’s le runs. I was truly livid when that dumbass made that move.
    Wade and Bosh did too. I can't imagine how angry LeBron was seeing Chalmers and Cole go ice cold from three and not having Miller there to take their completely non productive minutes in the 2014 Finals.

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    The Heat will absolutely lose in 5. Like I said, I'm a delusional bum. I know this will happen starting tomorrow night. Jokic will have another dominant game and it's over.
    FIFY

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