Some people hate Pop because they dont have the ability to seperate his politics from his coaching. They only view someone's professional worth through their own political lens.
I think the FO has been terrible from 2017 free agency with the 50 Mills and Gasol deals until the DeRozan/Bryn Forbes era came to an end in 2021. I've said that many times. But since then the FO has done everything they could to aquire and flip assets, pulled every rabbit possible out the hat and made very good moves for the past 2 years. They have earned my trust back.
Idk man those Bryn Forbes lineups were rough to watch for years
They did what worked when Tim, Tony, and Manu were in their prime. I feel like the FO had to go through a "mourning" for the Big Three before they finally moved on.
^ maybe but my sense is that around the start of the LMA era they had already actively chosen a strategy focused on building the team around Leonard. We will never know whether it would have worked, but it’s clear 1) they wanted to see if they could salvage it with DDR, and 2) they probably waited at least a year too long to shift strategies again and start the rebuild.
But once they did, my hats are off to them. The track record is there.
Why would they want to win the 2022 lottery?
While i think it's pretty much a given Wama is the bigger score then Chet, had we landed healthy Chet that may not have been a bad score either.
Moving fwd, i don't know if the NBA will ever know how good Chet could have been.
He's not the same, that's for sure. I don't care what modern medicine is available, Chet pre injury had more potential then Chet post foot blowout.
Hope he does well.
Hope Wama does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better.
That's my vision of things too. I remember mentioning that a little while a go and when you think anout it, that makes sense and often happens in sports. It's hard to transition from a period of massave success. It's like you have to process it and wait a little before moving on and going on another direction, like you have a hard time erasing the past and changing your philosophy since this is who you have successively been for so long...
Sometimes the ultra rich types are super cheap, like McCombs when he owned the team.
The Gasol deal was an agreement they had to get him to opt out when they were chasing CP0. That little er acting like he was interested and then oops I forced a trade to Houston instead really screwed the Spurs into a 3 year deal instead of one year on Gasol.
Two stains they should have never been pursuing.
Poppeds idiotic love of CPO and then rewarding Gasol after he spurned the Spurs offer in Summer of 12? 12? 14? so he could go stat pad with the Bulls. Should have told him to go F himself. Then to reward his ass with a fat buyout. SMH.
Telling DJ Murray to pattern his game after CPO. What a ed up strategy. Prolly set DJ back at least a year.
Ya lets cut with the PATFO worship.
Onward to the Wama era and a return to kick ass FO moves.
Bring in the new GNob, Parker and Robert Horry.
Interesting you (apparently, correct me if I'm wrong) would have picked Chet over Paulo had we won the lotto last year.
If we win the lotto last year (IMO), we take Banchero, don't trade DJM, don't trade Jak, and have a team that probably caps out about the 6 seed without the assets needed to make a huge leap. Wouldn't have been the worst, but still would have not been awesome.
I mean, those are people who get mad that green M&Ms aren't sexy enough.
I suppose it depends who the majority stakeholder is, but you think Holt Jr. is going to start telling Wright whom to draft? Personally, I don’t see that. But someone like Elon Musk, sure.
Honestly... who knows? I'd say Holt Jr. has been making some business moves that are more in line with modern organizational management than his father, who ran the Spurs in a very good-ol'-boys kind of way. Jr's strategic alignment with certain capital partners and sponsors, aggressively pursuing growth avenues for the fanbase (Austin, Mexico City), the development of the Rock, etc., all indicate a higher level of strategic involvement than his father.
Does that mean Jr thinks he should start weighing in on personnel? No, of course not... but it does suggest that he is more involved, and maybe that involvement one day does lead to those kind of thoughts. Right now, he is probably comfortable taking a backseat because Pop and RC have things under control... but what happens when they are gone? We'll find out eventually.
I can‘t even be mad at them starting the rebuild late since we landed Wemby. Obviously a lot of luck involved, but it worked out perfectly
Maybe waiting for a game changer was part of the plan. They've probably been following victor since he's 15, which would be quite the master plan...
Starting the the rebuild =/= winning lotto
The DeRozan trade to Chicago marked the turnaround point for the front office. The following trades of Young, White, and Murray restored my confidence.
The hallmark of the Spurs front office move: it benefits the franchise and doesn't feel like the owner forced it out of emotion or the GM did it out of fear of losing their job.
I don't think anyone would give the time period between Leonard and the DeRozan trade very high marks as far as front office work goes... The only explanation I can work out is maybe they felt obligated to Aldridge to be compe ive in his final years?
We agree we're 100 speculating retroactively. Unless you do have the Back to the Future Delorian.
So, if we are to assume the Spurs were going to have pick #7 in 2023 and thus entirely miss out on Wama, then in retro yes i would have taken Chet over Banchero.
Chet before injury >>>>> this seasons 2023 #2 - 14 pick imo.
Admittedly I saw only a couple full Duke games and he laid absolute eggs including blowing the win on O and D in the latter game i saw. Very unimpressive. Well obviously he had some good games at Duke and does look like he's made the transition to NBA better then 90% of rookies.
Saw plenty of Chet.
Really liked what i saw.
Had i had full tapes of Banchero getting paid 200K+ a year to be on the Spurs scouting team, perhaps i would have chosen Banchero.
Again, i don't believe we will ever know what Chet would have been. Here's to hoping the latest/greatest in sports injury medicine has him back beginning this season.
Out of the Delorean, thankfully we now get to see what develops with Wemby.
How much talent are we talking about? I love TP and Manu, but let me play the devil’s advocate here. I think Timmy would have won more. Let’s just put aside Timmy’s personality. Supposing he got greedy and wanted to take the easier path like LeSoft colluding with other Stars. There’s an arguement that he could’ve won more rings and probably surpassed MJ’s ring count and possibly be the GOAT. Timmy wasn’t like that. But we don’t know Wemby. He did mention he wanted to win rings asap. The Spurs ownership has to think how much willing to spend over the luxury taxes if ever to support that quest. It’s not the Spurs way BECAUSE that wasn’t Timmy. Wemby is a different beast. He is “the best prospect ever” possibly in all sports. He is already being dubbed as possibly a GOAT in the making. Spurs ownership has a lot of things to think about how far they are willing to ride that quest if ever.Landing DR, Tim and Wemby was genius.
Here's hoping they will surround Wemby as well as they did Tim.
No they wanted the consecutive playoff appearances record
Trynna get Pop the all time Wins record prolly played a part as well, imo.
And fascinatingly, it worked out so perfectly he's going to be able to pad that stat by probably another 100-200 games if he sticks around another 3-5 years.
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