Should Spurs make a run at Scoot?

[DAF86]

https://deanondraft.substack.com/p/h...coot-henderson

Very sobering look at Scoot against other players of his type. He really doesn't look like an explosive, elite athlete, and his finishing at the rim is really bad, suggesting he's not.

Really strange piece, tbh. He takes a sample size of just 8 games, tries to compare it to a completely different league and comes up with a definite analysis out of that.

It is also very strange the criteria he uses to measure "athleticism", imho. Wasn't Westbrook the worst finisher in the NBA one year? Nobody would say Westbrook was anything other than a freak athlete, tbh.

I wasn't very high on Scoot, in fact I made the Miller thread saying he should be the clear #2 over Henderson, but then I watched a couple more games of Scoot and he just seems to have "it", tbh. Also, his shooting form surprised me. I'm pretty sure he will develop into an above average shooter.

[Mr. Body]

Didn't Scoot play only like nineteen games this year or something? Finding comparisons to Gleague is hard. It's not nearly the level of the NBA and it's either much better or not as good as the NCAA. Regardless, having those issues finishing at the rim... he's basically Blake Wesley once he gets to the rim. I really dislike the attempt to quantify athleticism in these terms, or at all, but it does seem clear he cannot yam it on bigs and he doesn't have great touch otherwise. Those can be learned. But the suggestion that he's not this received wisdom elite athlete seems to be pretty true. He'll be more like a Baron Davis or other strong guards, Sherman Douglas, who are more strength oriented.

[exstatic]

Who did this?

Dean on Draft.

[exstatic]

Didn't Scoot play only like nineteen games this year or something? Finding comparisons to Gleague is hard. It's not nearly the level of the NBA and it's either much better or not as good as the NCAA. Regardless, having those issues finishing at the rim... he's basically Blake Wesley once he gets to the rim. I really dislike the attempt to quantify athleticism in these terms, or at all, but it does seem clear he cannot yam it on bigs and he doesn't have great touch otherwise. Those can be learned. But the suggestion that he's not this received wisdom elite athlete seems to be pretty true. He'll be more like a Baron Davis or other strong guards, Sherman Douglas, who are more strength oriented.

The gleague is also nearly devoid of shot blockers.

[intlspurshk]

Not sure whether Spurs can create a trade package to get Scott and whether Scott really possesses the all star talent. Nevertheless, it is more likely to get first round pick from Dallas, Toronto, Atlanta or Orlando (2nd first round pick) and Spurs should target Kobe (for shooting and defense) or Bilal (for wing potential) or Dereck (for rebound and rim protection). These are almost sure win trades

[scott]

Not sure whether Spurs can create a trade package to get Scott and whether Scott really possesses the all star talent. Nevertheless, it is more likely to get first round pick from Dallas, Toronto, Atlanta or Orlando (2nd first round pick) and Spurs should target Kobe (for shooting and defense) or Bilal (for wing potential) or Dereck (for rebound and rim protection). These are almost sure win trades

Rest assured, I do not possess all star talent, or really any talent at all tbqh

[Ariel]

It's isn't Thanksgiving, but I'm going to share two things I'm thankful for

1) That we are picking #1 and don't have to worry about which of the rest of these ers to draft
2) We are now equipped with years worth of thread content as we follow the careers of Scoot, Thompsons, Black and (to a lesser extent) Cam

Had we landed at 6-7 there'd be mostly resignation, but if it was 2-4, Oh boy, the sh!tstorm that would be hitting this place would be out of this world. Thank God we can debate on Scoot, Miller and the Thompson twins while on the beach sipping margaritas.

[Ariel]

Rest assured, I do not possess all star talent, or really any talent at all tbqh

[T Park]

Rest assured, I do not possess all star talent, or really any talent at all tbqh

you can make a damn good glass of beer tho sir.

[JPB]

Regardless, having those issues finishing at the rim... he's basically Blake Wesley once he gets to the rim.

What in the all ?

I'm gonna reapeat I'm not Scoot's most unconditional fan but how can anyone who saw Scoot play or just know the player be totally off? Finishing at the rim in many different ways is actually one of his forces (at 60%, which is considered elite) thanks notably to his burst and athleticism. Blake dreams he had 1% of that ability. That's basically the very reason why he's project top 3, since he's not a shooter...

I mean, come on.

[Mr. Body]

What in the all ?

I'm gonna reapeat I'm not Scoot's most unconditional fan but how can anyone who saw Scoot play or just know the player be totally off? Finishing at the rim in many different ways is actually one of his forces (at 60%, which is considered elite) thanks notably to his burst and athleticism. Blake dreams he had 1% of that ability. That's basically the very reason why he's project top 3, since he's not a shooter...

I mean, come on.

Lol, just read the take instead of whatever fantasy you have going on. You don't have to believe him, but he posts video after after video after video of Scoot blowing even basic stuff at the rim.

Stop oggling his half naked body, stop regarding him like Jesus Christ, and actually look at the player in front of you.

[JPB]

Lol, just read the take instead of whatever fantasy you have going on. You don't have to believe him, but he posts video after after video after video of Scoot blowing even basic stuff at the rim.

Stop oggling his half naked body, stop regarding him like Jesus Christ, and actually look at the player in front of you.

"Lol, I can make you videos of Mickael Jordan looking a scrub.
"Lol", at trusting some terrible pundit take made out of 8 games instead of actually watching the games and checking stats.
"Lol" at ignoring the fact I litterally said I'm not a Scoot fan.

And yes, lolololol at ignoring the only irrefutable way to know how good a player is at something: STATS. And stats say Scoot is an elite finisher, which litterally every ing body who follows and (really) watched the player kwows, reason why he's projected top 3... That's what Scoot does, finishing at the rim at an elite 60% rate... Sure he's been blocked three times by Wemby in Vegas but twice on jumpers unaware he was Victor has such a reach... Otherwise, he showed a great repertoire of finishing over under, both hands, dunks, stops... And that's what he did in the G League too.

Holy , the terrible takes you can read here.

Scoot at 0:45, 1:06, 4:09, 6:30...

[BatManu20]

[emmo]

"Lol, I can make you videos of Mickael Jordan looking a scrub.
"Lol", at trusting some terrible pundit take made out of 8 games instead of actually watching the games and checking stats.
"Lol" at ignoring the fact I litterally said I'm not a Scoot fan.

And yes, lolololol at ignoring the only irrefutable way to know how good a player is at something: STATS. And stats say Scoot is an elite finisher, which litterally every ing body who follows and (really) watched the player kwows, reason why he's projected top 3... That's what Scoot does, finishing at the rim at an elite 60% rate... Sure he's been blocked three times by Wemby in Vegas but twice on jumpers unaware he was Victor has such a reach... Otherwise, he showed a great repertoire of finishing over under, both hands, dunks, stops... And that's what he did in the G League too.

Holy , the terrible takes you can read here.

Scoot at 0:45, 1:06, 4:09, 6:30...

I’ve never seen more defensive reactions over a #3 pick than I have with Scoot. It’s just weird.

[R. DeMurre]

Interesting article on ESPN today, regarding the scouting process back in 2014-- here's an excerpt:

DraftExpress referred to Jokic as "the star of practice the week leading up to the game." And based on Jokic's hot 3-point shooting in those practices, fellow World star (and future Nuggets teammate) Emmanuel Mudiay joked to ESPN draft analyst Jonathan Givony that "I've got Dirk [Nowitzki] on my team."

Despite his front-row seat, Rana wasn't as impressed.

"I would tell you that [Jokic] wasn't a guy that was going to step on the court like [Bismack] Biyombo did in my first Hoop Summit [in 2011], and you were wowed by him because of athletic ability or any type of major impact," Rana told ESPN. "[Jokic] didn't have a major impression either way.

*. *. *. *

Bismack Biyombo went on to have a negative BPM every single year of his career, and a net negative career VORP. Eight out of his twelve years, his teams were better when he was off the court. Jokic's impact stats in his rookie season were better than any of Biyombo's career.

[rankingtear]

What in the all ?

I'm gonna reapeat I'm not Scoot's most unconditional fan but how can anyone who saw Scoot play or just know the player be totally off? Finishing at the rim in many different ways is actually one of his forces (at 60%, which is considered elite) thanks notably to his burst and athleticism. Blake dreams he had 1% of that ability. That's basically the very reason why he's project top 3, since he's not a shooter...

I mean, come on.

Blake also finished at 60 in the g-league in the restricted area. 3 more attempts. Julian 70 with the same attempts. The lack of rim protection in the g-league is real.

[exstatic]

Interesting article on ESPN today, regarding the scouting process back in 2014-- here's an excerpt:

DraftExpress referred to Jokic as "the star of practice the week leading up to the game." And based on Jokic's hot 3-point shooting in those practices, fellow World star (and future Nuggets teammate) Emmanuel Mudiay joked to ESPN draft analyst Jonathan Givony that "I've got Dirk [Nowitzki] on my team."

Despite his front-row seat, Rana wasn't as impressed.

"I would tell you that [Jokic] wasn't a guy that was going to step on the court like [Bismack] Biyombo did in my first Hoop Summit [in 2011], and you were wowed by him because of athletic ability or any type of major impact," Rana told ESPN. "[Jokic] didn't have a major impression either way.

*. *. *. *

Bismack Biyombo went on to have a negative BPM every single year of his career, and a net negative career VORP. Eight out of his twelve years, his teams were better when he was off the court.

bUt YoU NEed tO Be a HIgH lEvel AthleTe tO bE a StAr...

[rankingtear]

In terms of PNR scoring he is 0.76 pp. That is the 31st percentile in the NBA , similar to Killian Hayes. This is his role in the next level. You see why the concern is there.

[Seventyniner]

Interesting article on ESPN today, regarding the scouting process back in 2014-- here's an excerpt:

DraftExpress referred to Jokic as "the star of practice the week leading up to the game." And based on Jokic's hot 3-point shooting in those practices, fellow World star (and future Nuggets teammate) Emmanuel Mudiay joked to ESPN draft analyst Jonathan Givony that "I've got Dirk [Nowitzki] on my team."

Despite his front-row seat, Rana wasn't as impressed.

"I would tell you that [Jokic] wasn't a guy that was going to step on the court like [Bismack] Biyombo did in my first Hoop Summit [in 2011], and you were wowed by him because of athletic ability or any type of major impact," Rana told ESPN. "[Jokic] didn't have a major impression either way.

*. *. *. *

Bismack Biyombo went on to have a negative BPM every single year of his career, and a net negative career VORP. Eight out of his twelve years, his teams were better when he was off the court. Jokic's impact stats in his rookie season were better than any of Biyombo's career.

Oh deer.

[JPB]

In terms of PNR scoring he is 0.76 pp. That is the 31st percentile in the NBA , similar to Killian Hayes. This is his role in the next level. You see why the concern is there.

I def have concerns about Scoot, and I don't want him, but pnr and finishing are two different things. Not to mention it takes two to tango, Scoot have elite handles and burst, but the art of setting a good screen in a pnr is something that takes time for big men to master and Scoot mosty had to deal with a bunch young, clueless stiffs in his GLeague team to tango with... It also takes time and experience for the ball handler, and learn how to read a play. He's still a teen with zero NBA games and that's def not the kind of things a scout should see as a deal breaker...

Comparing Scoot pnr stats to one of a 3 year NBA player ain't that fair. ( I guess it also stands for positive stats) No doubt he'll progress, which is what the team that will pick will bet on... What would be intersting is to compare his stats with NCAA from current NBA players (to see the difference).

[rascal]

I want Scoot.

Scoot and Wemby will be a dynasty.

[spursparker9]

Showing his potential day by day

[rjv]

if scoot had been a spur, he would have been just behind zach as far as the number of posters who have his face inside a "no" circle.

[Ice009]

Darn, that seems like a nice game. Has he been improving from game to game? 8 threes is a lot for someone that's not considered a good shooter at all I know NBA level players can go off at any given time, but 8 threes is impressive for anyone. It's only one game, but if he's improving, good for him.

[scott]

I think Scoot will end up an okay pro. Like most rookies, he needs time to develop. Unfortunately, unlike some pros, he's on a dumpster fire of a team as far as development goes. Not that the Spurs have necessarily been that much better as of late.