A year too late, but better late than never I guess. In reality they should’ve sold high on Beal after his All-NBA season 2 years ago. But they waited cause of “loyalty” or whatever, and now his value has gone down considerably at 30 years old imo. He also has a no-trade clause in that Max Contract they gave him, so he essentially can choose his destination. With the amount of money he’s owed over the next 4 years, he won’t fetch the return the Wizards are expecting imo. Nonetheless, despite his horrible defense, he’s still good enough offensively to move the needle for a le contender so long as they don’t gut their roster to get him.
If they are serious about moving up to get Black I would think Keldon would be gone. I don't see the teams in that 5 - 9 range just wanting a bunch of future picks back, they probably going to want a young player to go along with it. Hopefully Keldon. If they can give up a few future 1st AND get rid of Keldon who is rapidly beginning to not fit this team that would be a huge win for them.
Either Dame or Beal going to be on Miami next year.
I agree. Don’t think a trade back into the Top-10 happens without Keldon, UNLESS it’s the Orlando Magic, who have 2 picks in the lottery, and may be willing to sell #6 for a cache of picks. But I don’t think the Spurs wanna move him (yet) without seeing how he fits next to Wemby either. He’s also notably a favorite personality in the locker room, while also being on a very team-friendly deal, which makes trading him that much more difficult. That shouldn’t stop the Spurs of course if they find the right deal, but it’s something to consider.
Keldon and the Raps pick will probably get you the six. It would be nice if the Spurs could get swap the 44 for the 36 in that deal too.
Agreed/ I don't really think that any other ST poster has reliable inside sources. Doesn't mean he will always get the right stuff and be able to separate it from rumors and CIA Spur FO deceptions, but better TimVP than most.
You should be fine overpaying with picks, because its not like we can use them all. We could have up to 7 1st round picks over the next 3 years. Do you really think we will be able to use them all? It's almost mathematically impossible to do it since each pick would cost you a roster spot. That would literally mean that for the next 3 years we just flat out lose 2 players per season and just replace them with a 1st round pick we draft. That's not logical or optimum. The time to cash them in is right now while you have so many and the future on them is half full. These atlanta picks will look a lot less appealing to teams next year if they are the 5th seed and go to the second round and then you telling some team we can give you the 23 pick. Trading away some picks for a player the spurs are high on won't cause them much other than the right to use future picks they probably won't have future roster spots for anyway.
Yes, i think its definitely work if they'd absorb Birch. My thought was that Miami would need Graham to help cover the loss of herro and Lowry at that position.
Im sick thinking about Spurs spending money on FVV or CP3 ugh
I think Keldon is the odd man out due to his skillset being the most easily replaceable ( I can be a high volume 3 point shooter but I'm streaky ). I also think the fan favorite stuff is a bit overrated and won't stop them from trading him. Dejounte was a fan favorite and regardless if how you feel about him no one can deny his work ethic. He did everything the spurs asked him to do on and off the court, he put the work in, and the very first time they turned the keys over to him he had the best year of his career and was an all star. Most teams would want to hang on to a player that young with that contract and the work ethic to go from the 29th pick to all star...and the spurs traded him in the same off season. I feel if they know for sure that Keldon can get them Black they'd pull the trigger and I'd be disappointed if we found out later they didn't.
I don't really know how the rest of the league views Keldon though. Why would the teams in that range even want Keldon to begin with, let alone start paying him a moderate amount of money on his new deal.
I don't think you have to go far to find people thinking trading a decent second for a future pick and cash is selling. That was mostly true last year. Now with the influx of seconds, I'd 100-percent consider that to be the case. Moving a pick for a future second is just kicking the can down the road for money. I get that has value for you, but to me that's them taking money to punt. Unfortunately I didn't have luck pulling up the general draft thread from last year so we could see the comments when it happened. I know I was unhappy until after they agreed to a deal with Barlow.
I understand you think some folks actually care about their reputation or being wrong. That's not me. There are things that I say that are wrong. There are things that I say that PATFO disagrees with me on. One of the things I do care about are future picks, though. I'm usually the person scouring the RGM page on future picks to see when the new assets become official. I knew about 2LAL24 since the Spurs got it, though it's now just another second in the pile they need to get rid of. So I did know about this particular situation, whether you believe me or not.
I know we a aren't looking to move Sochan, but what would he bring if a team in the top 10 or so had an interest?
If the Spurs really want CP3 they have to claim his two year sixty million dollar contact. He only has 15 million guaranteed next season and zero guaranteed in 2025. Worst case its a one year overpay.
My sense is that Keldon would appeal to Orlando, perhaps well over a rookie at #6 they don't really need. (Kind of a no-man's land pick for them.)
Keldon to me is a fantastic 3rd option, although I think their starting unit gets as weird as ours does with him. He does hit 3s at a very high rate when he's not forced to do too much. He's near a 40%er at his best. And I don't think their defense is really excellent anyway.
If you feel like he was getting traded for picks this summer anyway... Then you're trying something like Keldon + CHA or more likely TOR and maybe need to be willing to go another pick if you have to. The Spurs are at a point where they can actually trade their own future picks, with some protections. Maybe one in 2025.
I don't know if Orlando can actually match salaries, though. Honestly fit and salary aren't clear.
Indiana is an outlier, although they'd likely prefer going for Jarace. Detroit seems unlikely?
If the Spurs tried to trade Sochan right now, other teams would be confused and think something was up.
I'm not talking about us trying to trade him... I'm referring to a team in that range wanting him and bringing his name into the discussion.
The way some are ready to give really good assets for Black is kind of weird... It feels like spurs were desperate to make a move and Black was the missing link... or they should just because spurs can...
We always tend to get excited, fall in love and overrate players the closer the draft, as if we absolutely needed them, as if they were so great, perfect for us, at the expense of the following drafts and possible trades... And it's like that in every fanbase... I mean spurs got #15 for Hill back in the day (a 26th pick). 2 or 3 FPRs and/or Keldon (a 20+pts/game player) for zero NBA game, Anthony no shoot Black is just nonsense... Feels like a panic move or something. yes, we have a lot FPRs, but that's what you need to grab a star/superstar down the road and still have a few left for you... And there are maybe players in the next drafts that will REALLY deserve pulling the trigger. If you give Keldon + pick this draft, you prevent yourself for making similar, more pertinent moves in the next 2 years.
Making that kind of move just because you have a lot of picls doesn't make sense, you make because you really want it and it's the right prize. Not gonna spend 500 bucks for a sammich just because I can.
I don't see it. Paul wants a ring and will probably take a pay cut to play for a contender. FVV will likely go to the Suns if Paul is waived.
No. I'd Move Keldon or Vassell first. , I'd move Keldon AND Vassell first.
Besides a point guard we still need a young Bruce Bowen and a young Kawhi.
and an LSU Shaq.
We can't do that when they waive him. The drop dead date is 28 June, meaning we can only use this year's remaining cap room, and we don't have enough.
If Washington is tearing it down to the bolts, trading Beal (maybe for Herro and such), trading Porzingis, S&T for Kuzma... I don't know what they do with the 8 pick. Do you actually want to use it? It's kind of an odd pick for them. I guess a guy like Hendricks would be around. Not sure if Wallace makes sense unless they really, truly believe in him.
I don't think they'll have the cap room to sign him.
That was a typo. I have no problem overpaying with picks.
Thats not what I'm getting at.... I'm asking what it'd take for us to move him if another team tries to get him...
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