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    I had been thinking of starting a thread ranking the Spurs future picks, but I'm not as illustrious as some of the other posters on this board. With that said, here is how I would rank all of our yet-to-be-taken FRPs, WITHOUT fully considering the time value of picks (which I think is very real. A pick this year is worth more than a pick next year with equal protections), though I did factor in some time element. What I didn't consider is trying to crystal ball how good teams will be in the future. So for now, a Spurs unprotected FRP is worth more than a ATL unprotected FRP because the Spurs are currently a lotto team and ATL is currently a play-in team. I only went out to 2028.

    1. 2023 Spurs FRP (duh. It's #1 overall)
    2. 2026 Spurs FRP w/ ATL pick Swap (this is the most valuable because it has the added benefit of being able to be high based on the outcome of two teams, not just one)
    3. 2028 Spurs FRP w/ BOS pick Swap (this is slightly less valuable than the 2026 pick with the ATL swap, because BOS's swap is protected for the #1 overall pick)
    4. 2024 Spurs FRP
    5. 2025 Spurs FRP
    6. 2025 Hawks FRP
    7. 2027 Spurs FRP
    8. 2027 Hawks FRP
    9. 2024 Raptors FRP (Top 6 protected)
    10. 2025 Bull FRP (Top 10 Protected)
    11. 2024 Hornets FRP (Lotto Protected)
    Good list, was originally thinking of the seconds since some are “fake” (top 55 protected) and we acquired a boatload last year. Like how many do with think will be in the 30-42 range as opposed to worse. Hard to say I know, but could be useful for cobbling together trades later.

    But I do like the FRP idea too.

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    Would be so sick if CHA traded #2 for Beal or Zion and re-signed Bridges too. Them pushing hard for playoffs would be so great for SA

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    Why? I think it would simply be to have a Vet on the team to help guide the younger guys and if it helps get to the playoffs then so be it. I just don't think they are believing they are going to win the championship next year and would just want to get the young guys a veteran.
    You can get vets and not spend 100M+

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    Love everything i read here other than Vanvleet being a target. I could stomach it on a 2-3 year deal, but not a fan of his defense is no longer a thing

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    Nothing realistic. Pick #2 or #3 probably.
    I wouldn’t do it for anything but #1, and we have that already.

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    Horford and CP3 would be perfect. CP3 jumpstarts young guys development for some reason even if everyone hates him. Maybe 3 guys are still in this roster in 5 years not worried about them taking minutes from young guys. Plus their contracts lineup to expire in 2 years.

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    I wouldn’t do it for anything but #1, and we have that already.
    I'd take Jarace Walker over him, but I'd rather pair them together around Wembanyama. Walker is strong enough to check most C's... That D would be nasty..

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    I think if I'm the Spurs I'd rather not have any point guards at all and go after Draymond to rotate with Sochan than get Paul or Vanvleet. Again, not an option I love, but one I prefer to either of those point guards.

    Draymond may not be available. think I saw him on a list. Regardless, I think CP or FVV are a bad idea.

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    Do not want FVV honestly.

    CP3 and Lowry are finished and would be even worse than FVV!

    No thanks

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    I wonder if people are underestimating Tre Jones (pending re-signing obvs) and Graham.

    I could also see the Spurs clearly needing a bit more anchoring at PG.

    Will be interesting to see how the team proceeds.

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    I wonder if people are underestimating Tre Jones (pending re-signing obvs) and Graham.

    I could also see the Spurs clearly needing a bit more anchoring at PG.

    Will be interesting to see how the team proceeds.
    I know we're kind of going around in circles in many of these conversations, but one way of looking at this:

    The Spurs kind of HAVE TO improve the point guard spot. Reason? Not because they don't believe in Jones or what not. It's because they HAVE TO spend money to get up to the salary floor and they HAVE WAY TOO MANY draft assets.

    Basically, they have to find a way to spend money on something this offseason or before the deadline. And, they have so many draft pieces coming. They have SIX first round picks between the next two drafts; probably three in each one.

    They have other needs: shooting, size. But they HAVE TO spend money and/or picks on SOMETHING. Either they start spending now, or it's going to get harder or less effective to do so. And it should be the weakest area of team needs (which seems to cross with a strength in this draft and possibly a strength in this free agent class). They are almost forced by cir stances to do something now, and it might as well be a major need.

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    I wonder if people are underestimating Tre Jones (pending re-signing obvs) and Graham.

    I could also see the Spurs clearly needing a bit more anchoring at PG.

    Will be interesting to see how the team proceeds.
    A bit more anchoring? Underestimating Tre?? he is literally a bottom 5 starting PG. how tf is anybody underestimating him? Spurstalk man. Tre is NOT the answer for starting PG. I don’t even know if he’ll be on the team in 3 years and if he is the starting PG next year then we are wasting a year of Wemby for literally no reason

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    I think if I'm the Spurs I'd rather not have any point guards at all and go after Draymond to rotate with Sochan than get Paul or Vanvleet. Again, not an option I love, but one I prefer to either of those point guards.

    Draymond may not be available. think I saw him on a list. Regardless, I think CP or FVV are a bad idea.
    Draymond knocking out Wemby in practice and constantly nagging him on the court for every little mistakes is the bad idea.

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    I rather us trade for another pick and grab a guard in the mid lottery, but if we did land CP3 or FVV you bet your ass I’d be saying WE BACK!!! Lol

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    Draymond knocking out Wemby in practice and constantly nagging him on the court for every little mistakes is the bad idea.
    Probably. An illustration of how bad I think Chris Paul or FVV would be.

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    Yes, i think its definitely work if they'd absorb Birch. My thought was that Miami would need Graham to help cover the loss of herro and Lowry at that position.
    SAS: Lowery + #18
    MIA: Beal
    WAS: Herro + Martin + Birch + #44 + 2FRP from MIA

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    SAS: Lowery + #18
    MIA: Beal
    WAS: Herro + Martin + Birch + #44 + 2FRP from MIA
    Spurs just get free stuff for Birch?

    Washington won't get FRPs for Beal's salary. They'll be fortunate to get Herro and other matching.

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    I know we're kind of going around in circles in many of these conversations, but one way of looking at this:
    The Spurs kind of HAVE TO improve the point guard spot. Reason? Not because they don't believe in Jones or what not. It's because they HAVE TO spend money to get up to the salary floor and they HAVE WAY TOO MANY draft assets.
    Basically, they have to find a way to spend money on something this offseason or before the deadline. And, they have so many draft pieces coming. They have SIX first round picks between the next two drafts; probably three in each one.
    They have other needs: shooting, size. But they HAVE TO spend money and/or picks on SOMETHING. Either they start spending now, or it's going to get harder or less effective to do so. And it should be the weakest area of team needs (which seems to cross with a strength in this draft and possibly a strength in this free agent class). They are almost forced by cir stances to do something now, and it might as well be a major need.
    I think they are going to try to spend that money on Brook Lopez, so Wemby can start out playing the 4, and Sochan can start out playing point guard.

    They let him play point quite a bit last year. Unless they just straight up didn't like what they see it makes no sense to do that and then go sign a veteran point guard, while also already having tre.

    Forgot about Graham as well

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    I’m really hoping this is a generic thought vs real noise. This reads more like someone who is adding 2+2 without much thought: Spurs have cap space + Spurs need a PG + FVV and/or CP seem available = Spurs targeting them.

    I just can’t imagine spurs being so rash to blow cap space and flexibility for guys who are older and questionable fits beyond 1 year. If they could be had for 1 year deals, then IDGAF but that’s not possible outside of maybe CP?

    I definitely am ok with having vets like Doug now (I know, I know) and even some others… just don’t want the CP/FVV types that are 1) mega expensive 2) want the ball a ton & 3) have no upside for the timeline of our main core

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    no way paul or fvv come here. i see lowry as more of a possibility where miami sends him and #18 to SA.

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    I think you're alone in that thought, or, embarrassed at being caught in an inaccurate statement, you're just taking a position.
    It’s selling. It’s like trading pick a for worse pick b + cash. Selling draft position

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    Beal doesn't have anywhere near the value some seem to think. When he gets traded, it'll be just as much a salary dump as it will be draft capital/youth.

    Williamson's durability or lack thereof likely makes him too big a risk for a top 2-4 pick.

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    Spurs just get free stuff for Birch?

    Washington won't get FRPs for Beal's salary. They'll be fortunate to get Herro and other matching.
    Why would those teams want the Spurs in that trade. Spurs are giving nothing of value up.
    Looks like a fantasy basketball offer you might get from a team in your league.

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    FVV gives me the Forbes vibes.

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    Taking timvp's suggestion of targets as writ - admittedly could be smokescreen -- Black probably goes top 10 and the Spurs can't get there.

    Kobe Bufkin may be the perfect complement for this roster. A backcourt of Vassell and Bufkin could be lethal. I do believe there's a jam in the lottery, otherwise Bufkin should be much higher than he currently is projected. I have the feeling he's eventually a top 5 player in this draft. He's not quite Haliburton, but he's that sort of player. Reminds me of Devin Harris a bit, too, another Big 10 player, and one who shredded the Spurs time and again in Dallas. (Harris went 5th in a top-heavy draft.)

    Hard to tell where the target spots are. Orlando at 11, the 13, 14, 15... Lakers may want to get rid of their 17, Miami at 18. These teams may not even keep their picks and move up, as NOP wants to do with 14. The Spurs would need to get one of these solely using draft capital and maybe taking on salary.

    But I strongly believe, for what it's worth, that here's a smart, heady, highly compe ive player with really good shooting numbers, ability to facilitate, and a good defender. I'd hate to see any of our rivals get him - I think he's incredibly undervalued right now. But a team could get wise and grab him. Smart teams like Toronto, Miami, etc.

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