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Yeah we need to wheel and deal here. Now's a good time.
I'm really puzzled by the "wait and see" philosophy. Wait and see for what? What exactly are you waiting for?
As a side, the Spurs wouldn't be trading for a spot in this draft. They're trading for specific players. If they can get one of those specific players, they're not going to make the trade.
The Spurs have three first round picks next year. They have three more first round picks the following year. They cannot add another six rookies to the team in that time.
No one expects them to trade the Atlanta picks. The Charlotte, Toronto, and Chicago picks are probably in the mix. Typically, they'll weigh the risks of including one or another. Going forward, the prospect of including their own picks, with some protections, has risen greatly. They will likely be a playoff team very soon.
It simply doesn't make sense to not try to get a prospect they can actually see and evaluate right now, who exists right now, who they can start the process of developing, using capital that needs to be burned in the future anyway.
Yeah we need to wheel and deal here. Now's a good time.
It’s not that I don’t think Jarace is a good player, I actually like his hard-nosed game. It doesn’t make sense to trade a lot of assets and maybe even Keldon to move up to picks 5-7 to take another Forward when we desperately need a PG. We already have Sochan and Zollins along with Wemby coming in, plus Mamu, Bassey, & even Barlow, who showed some promise last year. Jarace would be redundant. If we’re giving up major assets to move up, it needs to be for a PG imo.
Exactly. If you wait, the CHI, CHA, and TOR picks could all wind up being in the 20s, and you're screwed for value.
Do a little scarf dance, a hoochie cooch, dazzle them with the maximum possible value, and seal the deal now. Washington at #8 might be a good mark. If they are burning it to the ground, they're going to need picks for their rebuild.
He's 18 playing vs adults and Bilal has only 5 or 6 months of pro career. He's up to ups and downs. Again, it's about potential and tryig to see over of his pro games the things he's good at... Put NCAA players in that finale series and most of them are lost. Not everyone is Wemby... Not saying Bilal is surefire valuable NBA player, but there's definitely some intrigue. People judging him over his last game could never be scouts...
Well, for starters it would be nice to play out a season without all the DNP blatant tanking nonsense so we can see what's the actual value of this roster.
Some months ago, there were a few topics about what PATFO should do and a lot of people, including myself, agreed that we should just play a season out without tanking.
Even before the lottery I said our roster should be in 30-35 wins range the next season. With Victor developing as projected, we should be on the level of this season's OKC/Jazz. If he's actually the next big thing and has a rookie season similar to Admiral/Timmy, we could maybe even make the play-in. Won't happen, but you get the point.
Another, an even bigger reason if you ask me is that there are a lot of teams with questionable future and some big names might become available really soon. If not this year, then during the next season and most definitely in the next summer.
Pretty much the entire East is in a weird spot and you can't guarantee than any of those teams won't blow it up over the next year or two.
Same goes for the West except for Denver. I don't think we've ever seen anything like this in the history of the league. And there are some damn good players out there who could become available and if they do, Spurs would be in the best possible position to get them.
Even if there are no trade requests, give Wemby a season and then if he turns out to be as good as advertised, everyone will want to play with the next generational superstar.
Also, I'm not going to lie, I don't think college ball is worth following at all, but everyone in here seems to be obsessed with Anthony Black, who's a bad shooter.
We talked about it the other day, bad shooters in PG position just don't work these days unless the rest of the team is elite from deep.
Wemby won't be playing C anytime soon and Sochan is another projected starter. That's already three spots filled with questionable shooters. Even if Jeremy gets the sixth man role, which I doubt, it's still bad spacing if we get a playmaker who's not an elite shooter.
In short, even Giannis and Jokic had elite triple threat guards running pnr with them because you can't win without it in today's league. That's why I don't get the obsession with playmakers who can't shoot.
Both Victor and Jeremy are projected to be among the best defenders in the league, Devin and Keldon also have size, defense won't be our problem.
As much as we all love defense because that's the franchise's iden y, we need to find ourselves a primary ballhandler who's capable of pulling up off the dribble from deep with solid efficency.
That's my take. Maybe you're completely right and I'm clueless. Maybe it's the other way around, we can't know yet.
I just think that seeing if Victor is actually the real deal is the most sensible approach because there will be plenty of opportunities to trade those assets if he is. And plenty of disgruntled stars who will line up to play with the next generational star.
I’m a huge fan of Black. I’d have no issue coming off one of the Atlanta picks and one of the firsts you mentioned to get him. But again I’m a fan and I think overpaying for him is worth it.
If you had Victor Wembanyama and a squad of puppy dogs, would you 'just play the season out' to see what you had? I truly cannot comprehend this take. If your roof looked like it could be improved, would you go through the winter, 'just to see what you had'?
Why would you wait for disaffected players to become available in some imagined future? What if that doesn't happen? Did you just screw yourself badly?
You don't like Anthony Black, which makes sense. Why not think about other players. There are those who can shoot. Or are you just wanting to cover for not wanting to do anything at all?
Like, basically, leave aside the argument about having so many draft assets that we have to spend them. You don't seem to engage with this part. Leaving that aside, why would you prevent yourself from potentially improving the squad immediately? I'd rather do that than chase ghosts.
Who except RC, Wright and Pop would definitely know? And would any of these 3 openly say to anyone who they target? I mean, do they even know themselves?
We have absolutely no idea what spurs want to do... Just assuming and guessing.
Obviously I'd like the to have the best roster possible, but a lot of you in here would gladly trade Keldon and picks for Lonzo Ball 2.0 if scouting reports are to be trusted.
Much like every year, this board becomes obsessed with a prospect or two who are supposedly the next big thing, no questions asked, and then those players flop in spectacular fashion.
While we're at Keldon, remember the meltdown when Nassir Little and Jordan Poole got taken before our pick? Look who's laughing now.
Don't talk as if this roster is Rockets/Pistons level trash, did you watch the games? They looked good in most games against playoff teams when there was no selective tanking to make sure we get the L for the lottery.
Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Collins are more than good enough for Wemby's rookie season. Tre isn't, but he's solid enough if we can't get a better PG. Devonte can fill in until the deadline.
As I said, if there's an opportunity to move up for a player PATFO sees as a must have, like what happened with Kawhi, I'm sure they'll do it.You don't like Anthony Black, which makes sense. Why not think about other players. There are those who can shoot. Or are you just wanting to cover for not wanting to do anything at all?
But again, this board makes it look like there are like five future guaranteed all-stars available who are worth spending a couple of picks and a player on. When in reality not even Scoot and Thompsons are a sure thing. They could end up as the next Ben Simmons, Eric Bledsoe and Emmanuel Mudiay. That's up for PATFO to decide while we just write in here as if it was the easiest decision to make.
It's the NBA. With the mentality current star players and their agents have, there's no doubt that the next season will be a massive show with a lot of teams crumbling and panic trading players. Just look at all the supposed legit playof teams, like 80% of them are on the brink of making big moves. The league was never more open and yet it never had so few stable rosters that are ready to win.Why would you wait for disaffected players to become available in some imagined future? What if that doesn't happen? Did you just screw yourself badly?
How do I put it...okay, I'll try to make it simple.Like, basically, leave aside the argument about having so many draft assets that we have to spend them. You don't seem to engage with this part. Leaving that aside, why would you prevent yourself from potentially improving the squad immediately? I'd rather do that than chase ghosts.
I believe that we can get way more for the same price if we just stay patient for a bit and wait for the dominos to start falling. Victor making an instant impact would just make it even easier to do so. Just wait until the deadline or the next summer and I guarantee you Spurs will have another all-star next to Victor.
What's the point of improving the squad immediately when the difference is 9th or 11th seed and we have so much unknown quan y on the roster? Jeremy has massive potential and I believe Devin can also make the next step. Then there are all the other young players with less potential, but who knows. Let them have a season. I'd rather trade for a guard that's 25 or younger and a sure thing, than have a rookie point guard on top of all this uncertainty when it comes to how good our players actually are. Victor needs someone who's going to instantly give him the best possible envoriment to develop, not another rookie that's learning on the fly.
Again, if there's a sure thing available like in 2011, by all means. Trade Keldon and all the picks you want to get us another nephew-like steal.
I just don't like the mentality that it has to happen right now. FOMO mentality. Those picks aren't going to run away if they're not traded on the draft day.
My prediction would be that PATFO has a player they really like in 15-25 range and that they'll trade up for him. But I just can't see Spurs moving into top10 unless some other big trades happen and a chain reaction starts.
NO, Atlanta, Utah had Bufkin cancel workouts, apparently. Seems like he has a promise before 14... although Utah is also at 9. That part is confusing. I guess Orlando 11 or Toronto 13 has him. Or Dallas, I suppose if they have a trade partner. I don't know if they'd want a guard. Washington 8 needs a guard, though, and they're right in front of Utah's 9.
So if this is all true, then the Spurs would have to leap ahead of 11 and really get that 10.
I don't know, man, why don't you call up the Front Office and tell them they're doing the wrong things.
seems to me that all the talk about our need for a guard, even if we have to pay to move up in the draft, pretty much puts last year's draft of two guards into the "fail" category. Now i'm not sure that is the case, but I don't think that Wesley and Branham are as good as some of the posters think they are when you read other threads. Of the two, Branham is obviously much readier at this point to take some minutes next year. Wesley looks like a prospect at best who needs a lot of work to make a NBA player.
So I'm OK with any improvement by draft or trade in the near future, but we can survive with Jones, Graham, Branham for a while longer.
IF they think it will take trading up to 6-8 to get Black, then Amen is not out of the question. If they have the juice to get to 5 or 6, Amen could be there.
Spurs: Wemby
CHA: Miller
POR: Scoot
HOU: Whitmore
Then Amen becomes a real thing if they thought they could get to pick 6 even
Why would I call them? You guys are the ones who think a big trade up will happen.
It's the same every year with trade hype and always ends with we like what we have.
I'd rather be wrong in this case, getting another potential star right away would be amazing, but my opinion is that it won't happen...yet.
I'd imagine the list has tiers in it based on what they'd be willing to give up to get them. That could be current / future picks alone, or taking on salary (e.g, a draft day deal to save Miami money by taking on Lowry's expiring deal if that lets us swap 33 for 18), or getting rid of players in a trade.
I'd guess something like:
Black is 33, Chicago pick, Toronto pick and Charlotte pick.
Walker is Keldon + Charlotte pick (player asset given the fit is a lot wonkier with Walker alongside Keldon / Sochan and Wemby).
Bufkin and Cason is 33, Charlotte, Toronto (or, a bit less for Cason - I have Cason higher, but it seems like Bufkin is higher on the Spurs board and other mocks).
Coulibaly is 33, Toronto, a couple of future 2nds.
JHS /Keynote is 33, Toronto.
With some of the 2024 seconds greasing the wheels.
Based on current boards and prices, Cason would be my target (I think he'll be like Marcus Smart, but if you can get him in a lab and focus on advantage generation he works as an occasional on ball initiator and off ball shooter, and a high level defender that gets closer to Jrue's value).
Definitely the proper way of looking at it and the OKC Trade with Denver that just happened is a great example of how having an abundance of picks to the point where you MUST be a seller can dampen the value.
I think there is a good point to be made, however, against trading 3 future picks for a Top 10 pick this year *if* those 3 picks *could* get a young player who has already proven he can do it in the NBA (even if just for one season) instead.
I do not have an examples off the top of my head... but I'm sure we could think of some.
I wouldn't trade any of the ATL picks, but moving 2 of the CHA, TOR and CHI picks with some seconds to move up and get a PG seems like the right move in this draft which is much stronger than the next one. Plus the player you pick can develop for a full season a year earlier. You'd still have enough assets to put together a trade package if any star players become available. I also wouldn't attach any players to trade for an unproven draft pick.
The Spurs aren't getting Black without one of Keldon or an Atlanta pick. I'd do Keldon plus the Raps pick. We've seen Keldon's ceiling and now is the perfect time to swing for upside.
As mentioned the Spurs have to trade picks and Keldon doesn't fit the roster very well. Now's the time.
Looks like black and bufkin are out of range, i don't see us giving a big package for them
Bufkin is the only one I'd trade up for of that bunch, tbh. Finishing, shooting, creation, defense. As complete as they come. I'm shocked he isn't a surefire top 5 prospect.
You’d unload Keldon for a player with no offense and expect Vassell and Wemby to carry the offensive load with this trade. That’s a bad idea.
I think next year is a better time to explore moving Keldon unless you’re returning a proven talent or trading into the top 3.
We need Keldon and Vassell to carry the offense for Wembys first year. If Branham develops or an upgrade on offense becomes available then moving Keldon is less of a problem.
As mentioned above I have no problem moving one of the Atlanta picks if it brings back Black.
The time to over pay with picks or consolidate picks is when you’ve stockpiled them like we have.
Keldon isn't moving us into the top 3. I'm not sure blazers would see Johnson has a main piece. Pistons might have interest in his shooting. Dallas might consider if Bertans is the matching salary at 10.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he gets us into the top 3 either. I was just saying that would be the only level of potential I’d justify moving him for. There’s no pressing need to move him for a pick somewhere in the 5-10 range. Creates too big of a hole offensively. Plus he’s on a great contract and he’s a great teammate and locker room guy.
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