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I’m liking WAS at 8 as a target as well. They’ll probably want a player back though, unless a Beal deal gets them the Miami pick.
I know it’s kind of unconventional and maybe even redundant with Branham on the team, but there’s talk of Keyonte George slipping I’d really like for the spurs to grab him if there’s a chance
I’m liking WAS at 8 as a target as well. They’ll probably want a player back though, unless a Beal deal gets them the Miami pick.
My guess is they'd def want a player now. Dallas will want a player now at 10. Orlando is a question mark at 11. They could possssibly take a basket of picks.
I don't see the Spurs exiling Keldon, or anyone, to a ty rebuild in Washington.
That would be a great pick after 20.
I think going through the lottery - mid teens teams for who'd value multiple picks over their one pick this year.
Charlotte, Portland, Houston, Detroit (NO - Unless it's a massive 7 picks for 1 overpay from us, of they can flip 5 and 36 for 6 and 11 if Orlando is thirsty)...
Orlando - maybe 11 is available if they don't like the fit of options at 11, though they'll probably get a shooter immediately (e.g, )
Indiana - No
Washington - Maybe? Should be looking to rebuild, don't have a ton of assets coming in (are net out 1 1st round pick to NYK) might prefer the expected value of lots of picks.
Utah (no, has a treasure trove)
Dallas - Maybe, for depth, to get rid of a bad deal. Something like 10, Bertans, for Royce O'Neale, 21 and 22 probably works better than future picks alone.
OKC - No (Treasure trove of assets)
Toronto - Maybe with their pick in 2024 back and something else, so the full tank job is more available as an option
NOH: Maybe, future salaries could be incredibly high with Zion / BI / CJ / Herb / Trey Murphy.
Atlanta: Maybe, though they'd probably demand their pick back (possible, though I'd decline on expected value)
LAL: Maybe Available, given a focus on depth around stars.
Miami: Need cheap contracts, maybe (particularly to dump long term $)
GSW: Maybe, same financial incentives as other contenders.
After that, it's mostly teams that might look to move a current pick for a future one (e.g, Charlotte at 27 with all their seconds, Indiana at 26 or 29, both of whom could look to move it to a contender in a deal like the OKC - Denver deal), Portland at 23 who could move it for a Veteran). Doesn't seem like much point moving up to the late 20s / 30 unless someone obviously falls, at which point the price should be cheap.
Am I the only one Lukewarm on Bufkin? I don’t hate him or anything, but I’m not excited about him personally at this point.
I agree, but it would be super interesting if this got rolled up in the potential Beal to Miami deal.
Basically, WAS comes away with: Herro, 18 and 33 this year, and a bunch of Spurs future picks. We can also eat Lowery for them.
In exchange we get 8.
Miami loves it since they keep their future picks for other stuff, but is it enough for WAS?
At first blush, he seems just okay, but once you look closer and see his trajectory and what he's doing, he starts showing a ton of promise. Here's a video of how tight he guards the perimeter and how good his hands are.
Definitely agree with this. To many people want to roll the dice and trade Keldon for... someone who maybe will end up as good as Keldon. Trading something proven for potential upside is a fun concept, but always involves the strong possibility that ball of potential never amounts to what you gave up for him.
Video game GM’s would trade Keldon. Because that’s the 2k lifestyle.
Damn it, this is the kind of trade that seems plausible. I have no idea how you can get this done before the draft, the rules and what it would take logistically to do. I don't think the Spurs need to drop a bunch of picks. The Beal contract is so horrendous. I think there needs to be another piece going to Washington just to make the salaries work.
EDIT: Right, the Spurs need to drop picks to get the 8. Problem is the trade is possible btw Heat and Wiz already. Not sure why the Spurs have to get involved.
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Don't see the point in drafting George, seems like a Blake Wesley only less athletic
Wouldn't mind to trade Keldon for Jarace Walker, i see a lot Metta World Peace in him, has the toughness we need around Wemby, i think he's much better fit on the team, it would give us a mind blowing front court of Sochan/Wemby/Walker that if it work out every one of them is switchable and can be the 3, 4 or 5 on every single moment...
Future PG/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby/Walker
My favorite thing about him is that he’s a 19 YO TWO and done, like Vassell was, and massively improved between seasons one and two.
Beal has the only no-trade clause in the NBA right now, so that will limit trading partners and likely reduce the price. The Wizards aren't going to get 4 or 5 FRPs for him.
You’re right that Spurs don’t need to get involved, but they should want to. That said I wonder from WAS pov if there is a question about the other player/s that have to come back in a Herro trade. Would they prefer someone else eat that to avoid 1) the higher returning salary hit (Herro+Lowery I think is more than Beals deal), or 2) long term money (Robinson).
But that’s probably a secondary consideration. They need to be enticed with a generous package of spurs future picks especially if Miami balks at sending out much more than a single FRP. That, while also being able to say they get to select in this draft (that’s where 18 and 33 are important) to initiate their rebuild in earnest.
Question is how much is too much for spurs? And is the player at 8 really worth it.
Evey year, it's the same...
Read this forum a few months ago and after #2 (Vic and Scoot) there's a huge drop off, then after 8 or so, nobody of real interest, it's a mediocre draft... Then the closer the draft, the more beautiful it becomes, with nice players and possible targets everywhere...
That's part of excitment and wishful thinking because we want to see nice prospects everywhere and the possibilty to get one... Truth is , like every year, is the vast majority of those FRPs prospects will become either, random role players or busts, some even disappearing after3 or 4 years... A few will become stars and maybe a couple superstars... And the ones who will really make it for the most part are not the ones who will be pimped or discussed (here or anywhere) pre-draft...
It never happens that the guys picked in the lottery end up as the 14 best players of their drafts, not even close... Most of them won't be star or nothing else than second hand role players, while guys picked in the 20s or even second round will. But by now all these kids are beautiful.
This is why I hate the trade idea -- I'm now starting to think about it too much.
The Spurs' key capability in getting involved here is absorbing salary. Obviously they want that #8 pick. Washington no doubt wants to use it themselves, but in dealing Beal dropping to #18 isn't bad and the Spurs may slide in to entice things while they think about their future.
Washington is in bad salary shape. Miami is in abysmal salary shape. I feel like the trade has to be something like Beal for Herro and Duncan Robinson as a basis just to match. This is what I've seen on those teams' boards. All three contracts are horrible. Kyle Lowry can go instead of DR, as an expiring this year, but this doesn't help Miami at all so probably won't want to do it.
So we face the difficulty (for our purposes) of Washington losing Beal and #8 for Tyler Herro and #18. They're not getting cap relief, they're losing the two best parts of the deal and getting the two second best.
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami_heat/
The Spurs can get involved by throwing in future draft picks, absorbing salary, and sending players. I 100% doubt they would send Keldon Johnson to Washington - that's just being an asshole - although I think the Wizards would love to have him. They can throw in future picks, but none of them are as valuable as the #8 this year. And/or they can absorb salary. Which means taking on Duncan Robinson and putting in expirings instead. That's $18-19 million the Wizards won't have to pay for the following two years. I don't see any obvious salary the Wizards could dump right now to make sense.
Thing is, Washington isn't in totally ty shape salary-wise. So we have to entice them with absorbing something from the trade and future picks. I'm not sure that works.
Which is it? IMO, they're in terrible salary shape for a rebuilding team.This is why I hate the trade idea -- I'm now starting to think about it too much.
The Spurs' key capability in getting involved here is absorbing salary. Obviously they want that #8 pick. Washington no doubt wants to use it themselves, but in dealing Beal dropping to #18 isn't bad and the Spurs may slide in to entice things while they think about their future.
Washington is in bad salary shape. Miami is in abysmal salary shape. I feel like the trade has to be something like Beal for Herro and Duncan Robinson as a basis just to match. This is what I've seen on those teams' boards. All three contracts are horrible. Kyle Lowry can go instead of DR, as an expiring this year, but this doesn't help Miami at all so probably won't want to do it.
So we face the difficulty (for our purposes) of Washington losing Beal and #8 for Tyler Herro and #18. They're not getting cap relief, they're losing the two best parts of the deal and getting the two second best.
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/
https://hoopshype.com/salaries/miami_heat/
The Spurs can get involved by throwing in future draft picks, absorbing salary, and sending players. I 100% doubt they would send Keldon Johnson to Washington - that's just being an asshole - although I think the Wizards would love to have him. They can throw in future picks, but none of them are as valuable as the #8 this year. And/or they can absorb salary. Which means taking on Duncan Robinson and putting in expirings instead. That's $18-19 million the Wizards won't have to pay for the following two years. I don't see any obvious salary the Wizards could dump right now to make sense.
Thing is, Washington isn't in totally ty shape salary-wise. So we have to entice them with absorbing something from the trade and future picks. I'm not sure that works.
Maybe you can do some research yourself?
I should have edited the first one. They've got a lot of crap this year but lose contracts like Porzingis after this next season, assuming he doesn't want to stay. Kuzma is a question, too. If they S&T Kuzma and possibly get something for Porzingis they add salary. But after this coming season, they drop down to $65 million even with Beal. Granted, they have basically no players on the roster, but they have no other bad contracts at that point. They basically only have one bad contract even now although it's a doozy.
I think Porzingod has realized that he won't get anything near what he's making now if he opts out, and will not do so. My guess is that if they are committed to the bonfire rebuild, they'll keep Kristaps, and let him roll off next summer, rather than accept incoming salary. They'll want to clean their books, and start ac ulating picks. This is going to sound odd, but I'm not sure they really want Herro. He won't be there at the end of the rebuild, because he won't want to be, and his 4/$120M contract would be a drag on their books. Maybe they would get him just to flip him, but it seems more logical to involve another team or teams in the initial trade and cash out of that contract immediately.
Thats kinda my thought. I think they'd much rather keep #8 and move Herro elsewhere. Thats why I posed the question in another thread about getting involved to take Herro (24 years old) as our PG and let Washington take Lowry for cap space next year.
Honestly the Wizards seem to be in great shape. They're finally rebuilding. They just hired decent executives. Their owner has said "do what it takes."
Definitely, Porzingis is fine taking that money. Who wouldn't? But he's a $36 million expiring. I can see a contender going after him by the deadline for a late-season punch. Washington could really make out there.
I agree about Herro. Washington will need someone to put butts in the seats and need a scorer. Herro can go pseudo-star and shoot all he wants. Once they get rid of Beal, they will need to pay some other players, but they're actually in position to absorb contracts, etc. Anyway, they're not in the position of future draft picks galore that we are, but now that they've decided to rebuild they're not really in bad shape.
The only first rounder they owe goes to NYK next year, but it's 1-12/1-10/1-8. Poor Knicks probably won't ever see that pick.
Back to us. There's no reason why Washington wouldn't find extra picks in future drafts attractive. I just don't see how to jar that #8 loose.
Washington is going to burn it to the ground and start over. We're talking process era Sixers bottom out. And it's way past time for it. The only thing they (should) care about is ac ulating as many picks as they can. There is next to zero chance of them giving up 8 in this draft unless it's to get two picks just slightly further back in this draft.
I'm not as high on Black as everybody else around here. I like his iq and defense, but there's something about the pace he plays with that I'm not in love with. He seems easy to speed up and becomes very mistake prone. Maybe that part of his game matures but for what it would cost to move up into that range, it's not worth the risk especially with his jumper being as questionable as it is. For a much lower entry fee, I'd rather them move up for Cason Wallace. Or just hold tight or move up slightly to take one of the high upside, switchable wings like Rayan Rupert, Sidy Cissoko, Julian Phillips or Olivier Maxence Prosper.
I hope this isn’t the case but I just have a weird feeling #33 gets traded for future draft capital and we use #44 on a 2 way guy
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