2023 NBA DRAFT

[T Park]

Mark Stein, who IMO is iffy, reporting that Utah is big on Coulibaly at 9 and wants Keyonte George before their 16 pick. Says they want to 'trade up' to get George, suggesting one of the Toronto-OKC range of teams want him. Not sure about this.

can 100% see Coulibaly going top 10. its been a while. maybe Patrick Williams of the Bulls? Since weve seen a stock shoot up this quick.

Im not sure how many of the teams "Wanting out" want veterans. or they just want to punt the can down the road.

100% the Spurs should be in on the punt the can guys. Charlotte Bulls Celtics swap etc etc should be on the table.

theres a legit chance to get great young talent, improve the team, SIGN guys to improve the team all in one off season.

theres a chance if this front office can thread the needle, they can go from 3rd worst, to top 7 team in the west.

[Mr. Body]

can 100% see Coulibaly going top 10. its been a while. maybe Patrick Williams of the Bulls? Since weve seen a stock shoot up this quick.

Im not sure how many of the teams "Wanting out" want veterans. or they just want to punt the can down the road.

100% the Spurs should be in on the punt the can guys. Charlotte Bulls Celtics swap etc etc should be on the table.

theres a legit chance to get great young talent, improve the team, SIGN guys to improve the team all in one off season.

theres a chance if this front office can thread the needle, they can go from 3rd worst, to top 7 team in the west.

Next year will be wild. Other than Denver the playoff picture in the west is wide open. I'm not sure any other team is an absolute lock.

[BatManu20]

One week til the Draft boys. Can’t get here soon enough.

[BatManu20]

Woj announcing he won’t be tipping picks this years. I bet Shams still does though lol.

[Mugen]

Good. I enjoy the draft and hate getting the picks spoiled tbh

[Seventyniner]

Woj tired of being scooped by Shams Charania.

[Mr. Body]

Woj not about that life anymore.

[Degoat]

I love the Spoilers tbh lol

[CGD]

Basically ESPN paid him off so they can keep the tv programming interesting. I felt bad for Bilas up there giving pick analysis that everyone knew was BS

[Drom John]

Pelton's final stats, of those in top 30 ESPN consensus (scouts then stats).
Stats are Pelton's projection for next five years in NBA.
Pelton hasn't figured out Overtime Elite, so no twins.
This list has Pelton's top 22. Missing in top 33 are 23, 24, 29, 31
Best arguments for Pelton over scouts: Jokic, Kawhi, Butler, Van Vleet, Doncic, Haliburton.
Best arguments for scouts over Pelton: Bender, Primo as 12th best (though Pelton #1 Sengun was still on the board).
The number after the name is the consensus ranking.


1) Whitmore 3
2) Podziemski 9
3) Wallace 6
4) Wembayama 1

1. Victor Wembanyama
Metropolitans 92
F/C
Top 100: No. 1
Stats: No. 4

Consensus: 3.9 WARP

Although the NCAA, G League and OTE prospects have been preparing for the draft for months, Wembanyama played his last game for Metropolitans 92 on Thursday as they lost the series, 3-0, to AS Monaco in the French Pro A league finals.

Wembanyama's stats-only projection is very good -- seventh best among No. 1 picks since 2006 -- but doesn't quite match the "best prospect since LeBron" hype.


That's partially a product of the relatively weak level of compe ion in France compared to the top European leagues. Additionally, Wembanyama hasn't been highly efficient in his high-volume role, making 56% of his 2-pointers and 28% of his 3s this season. The idea that Wembanyama will be an All-Star-level player on offense as a rookie seems wildly optimistic.

I suspect we'll regard this period as Wembanyama exploring the enormous studio space of his unprecedented skill set for his size. And it's not like he has hurt his team in the process. Metropolitans 92 beating playoff opponents with far more accomplished veterans (including Tony Parker's Asvel club in the semifinals, led by former EuroLeague MVP Nando de Colo) has been a tremendous accomplishment.

5) Miller, B 2
6) Whitehead 11
7) Sensabaugh 10
8) Hendricks 4
9) 5
10) Lively 7
11) George 12
12) Howard 15
13) Miller, L 16
14) Walker 8
15) Jones 19
16) Hawkins 17
17) Walsh 22
18) Black 14
19) Smith, N 18
20) Sasser 24
21) Smith, T 25
22) Slawson 29
...
25) Murray 21
26T) Clowney 20
26T) Clark 30
28) Jaquez 26
...
30) Phillips 28
...
32) Bufkin 23
33) Henderson, S 13
...
49) Couliaby 27

[Degoat]

Are we saying Pelton has Podz over wemby? Lol

[rjv]

going back to 2006 for comparisons seems a bit odd considering the game has changed so much since then. and Pelton does know that nando was out for the semi-finals, right?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

going back to 2006 for comparisons seems a bit odd considering the game has changed so much since then. and Pelton does know that nando was out for the semi-finals, right?

I’m convinced most of the uber stat geeks don’t actually watch basketball at all. They throw numbers in their self created formulas and then try to make sense of whatever results pop up.

[Maddog]

Going to just have to wait until Silver announces who the Spurs will pick with the first pick.
We need a poll on who every thinks they'll take.

[exstatic]

I’m convinced most of the uber stat geeks don’t actually watch basketball at all. They throw numbers in their self created formulas and then try to make sense of whatever results pop up.

There's a saying in the coding world: Models are useful. models are wrong. You're never going to hit 100% on anything. Even his theory of FT% -> 3G% which I subscribe to isn't perfect, probably only applying to catch and shoot 3s. Shooting off the bounce, whether mid range or long range, is a whole different animal.

[BatManu20]

[Obstructed_View]

Basically ESPN paid him off so they can keep the tv programming interesting. I felt bad for Bilas up there giving pick analysis that everyone knew was BS

Bilas flies by the seat of his pants live and does an amazing job. He called Malaki Branham for the Spurs several picks ahead.

[Obstructed_View]

Someone may have a long night.

[Mugen]

Reports of the Pacers making the 7th pick available for a starting wing....

That's Keldon + First Rounders territory in case Amen falls tbh. If the Rockets pass on him, I think there's a good chance he's there if the Spurs want to make the move...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...o-meet-with-mj

[Degoat]

Reports of the Pacers making the 7th pick available for a starting wing....

That's Keldon + First Rounders territory in case Amen falls tbh. If the Rockets pass on him, I think there's a good chance he's there if the Spurs want to make the move...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...o-meet-with-mj

That would be so crazy (in a good way) like holy wemby and a Thompson twin GD!

[Mr. Body]

I think Pacers will want OG Anunoby.

[Mr. Body]

That would be so crazy (in a good way) like holy wemby and a Thompson twin GD!

Ausar pulled out of a Pacers workout yesterday. May be going sixth. That may be the reason why they put the pick on the market.

[BatManu20]

I’m not quite as high on Amen as most. Not that I don’t like him as a prospect, I actually do, but that hitch in his jumper right now is disgusting tbh (25% from 3 this season is woof), and it’s gonna take some work to correct that. But more importantly, I think he’s a top-5 lock and it would take a king’s ransom to get him.

I also thought he’d put up slightly better numbers playing against tier compe ion last year, against players 1-2 years younger than him. Spurs do seem high on him though, which is not surprising given his upside and high character. But I really don’t think Keldon is on the market tbh. I’d be really surprised if they traded him. But like I said, I think Amen is a top-5 lock based on his size and athleticism alone, likely to Houston, so I think it’s moot. Black is a guy who might still be available at 7 though.

[Mugen]

I think Pacers will want OG Anunoby.

If Masai pulls the trigger on trading OG, I think they'll aim higher than 7. OG, 13 and additional draft capital probably gets you the 3rd pick from the Blazers for example.

Ausar pulled out of a Pacers workout yesterday. May be going sixth. That may be the reason why they put the pick on the market.

Yeah Ausar is not making it past 6/Orlando. I think there's a good chance he goes to Detroit at 5 tbh.

I fully expect the Rockets to take Amen but if they take Cam or trade away that pick, then it gets really interesting if you're the Spurs tbh. if the FO loves one of the PG prospects, trading with Indy still makes sense because i think WAS/UTAH both go point guard the picks after.

[Mugen]

I’m not quite as high in Amen as most. Not that I don’t like him, I actually do, but that hitch in his jumper right now is disgusting tbh, and it’s gonna take some work to correct that. I also thought he’d put up slightly better numbers playing against tier compe ion last year playing against players 1-2 years younger than him. Spurs do seem high on him though, which is not surprising given his upside and high character. But I really don’t think Keldon is on the market tbh. I’d be really surprised if they traded him. I think Amen is a top-5 lock based on his size and athleticism alone, likely to Houston, so I think it’s moot. Black is a guy who might still be available at 7 though.

I'm pretty damn high on Amen and I think he'd be worth trading Keldon if he fell. His shot is broken but is it any more broken than Sochan's coming out of Baylor? His out of this world athleticism, playmaking, creative finishing, and defensive potential makes me think his floor is a lot higher than he's getting credit for tbh. If he becomes an okay shooter then we're looking at a top 15 player in the league in 5 years IMO...