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Two MVPs, seven allstars, and a le by 28 would be awesome, no way in I'd be disappointed with that.
He is just very high on Franz for some reason and the whole high floor mantra. He knows what he is doing with these hot takes.
Two MVPs, seven allstars, and a le by 28 would be awesome, no way in I'd be disappointed with that.
He’s not wrong on Franz. His high floor mantra is based on his premise that the term ‘floor’ is misused as an interchangeable term for ‘older’, and when of the mislabeled players busts, teams think they should just 100% draft for high ceiling, regardless of the player’s Grand Canyon depth floor.
I remember reading that Dean take a few months ago already...And it was already looking nonsensical a few months ago... The more I read from that guy, the less I wanna read.
I don't even know if he"s a contrarian (there's certinaly a lot of that, and certainy a lot of "I'm so much smarter than the mass") but what I 'm sure of is that he often has absolutely no idea of what he's talking about with absolutely terrible, uneducated takes...
What's ridiculous is saying it's ridiculous to say Wemby could be a generational player... Did he even watch him play? Players, coaches, fans, journalists all the say the same and there's some massive substance to that... What are even his arguments? None. NOBODY is trading Wemby and the simple fact he sees that as a possibility tells about his cluelessness.
, ESPN made an article a couple weeks ago about fantasy Wemby trades, starting by saying "of couse, no way it happens".
Dont be afraid of success. Just draft yama and theyll be no drama
He's insane. Wemby is absolutely generational.
Dean isn't useless, or really meaning this for entertainment. He's just completely reduced to stats and analytics. He cannot register the proverbial black swan event because his models don't see it.
This forum, or a large part of it should love him, because he had Sengun as his #5 in that draft.
Arguing that a trade for a huge haul of promising players and picks is a good idea is one thing…but how in the can anyone say that he’s not a generational prospect and compare him to Greg Oden or Ralph Sampson? Neither of those guys were as polished and skilled as Victor is at 19 years old. How is he not generational? What other guys have we ever seen that are similar to him?
Just a really ty take tbh
The only way i trade the wemby pick is for a 23 year old Tim Duncan.
Does anyone have a 23 year old Tim Duncan on their roster? No? Then welcome to San Antonio Wemby
Oden was 100% a generational prospect. He was like LeBron in the sense that people who followed the sport knew who he was back when he was 15-16. He just got screwed by his knees.Arguing that a trade for a huge haul of promising players and picks is a good idea is one thing…but how in the can anyone say that he’s not a generational prospect and compare him to Greg Oden or Ralph Sampson? Neither of those guys were as polished and skilled as Victor is at 19 years old. How is he not generational? What other guys have we ever seen that are similar to him?
Just a really ty take tbh
Oden played in the NCAA championship with Al Horford, Corey Brewer, Joakim Noah, and teammate Michael Conley and he was by far the best player on the court.
This goes back to when Duncan was drafted. Celtics offered 2 lotto picks (3 and 6) + more I think for the right to draft Duncan. Remember Spurs were blasted for not doing the deal to get more pieces to build around Robinson.
well, the spurs did eventually land ron mercer (the 3rd pick in that draft)
Shaq's size 22
Sampson was 23 years old as a rookie - he was really good, but the Rockets sucked his first year - they had the third pick in 83 as well - Rodney McCray from Louisville. They lost Moses Malone and got McCray, Sampson, and Hakeem (in 84). It worked out for Houston but Moses Malone was an absolute beast as a player and got Philly a le year one.Arguing that a trade for a huge haul of promising players and picks is a good idea is one thing…but how in the can anyone say that he’s not a generational prospect and compare him to Greg Oden or Ralph Sampson? Neither of those guys were as polished and skilled as Victor is at 19 years old. How is he not generational? What other guys have we ever seen that are similar to him?
Just a really ty take tbh
I'm a bit concerned by Wemby's dimensions, but you are only using one draft pick for him - an amazing prospect. I hope he can bulk up a bit, but not too much. The guy will be a work in process, though. NOT a Duncan - two decades of excellence starting day one is just about impossible to match.
Haters want to be hating. The Spurs have invested in Wemby for some time now and they know what they are doing. Unfortunately, injuries happen in every sport, so it's a gamble every team has to take with their player investment. Wemby is in good hands. GSG!!!
I don't remember anyone blasting the Spurs except Boston lovers and they were mainly whining that they had the best odds and didn't get the prize.
This Dean guy is from Greece.
https://deanondraft.com/about/
January 30, 2018 at 10:00 pm jimmy said:
hey, where in greece is your family from? my grandma’s side is demakis – was curious if we were cousins. tried to dm u on Twitter (@dm1524) but u don’t accept dms from people u don’t follow. also big nba fan (how i stumbled on ur content)
Here's a picture of Dean
This Dean guy is motivated by racism.
He loves white players that represent foreign white countries such as Serbia and Slovenia but hates Black players that represent foreign white countries like Canada and Greece.
https://deanondraft.com/2016/11/29/a...ins-is-a-bust/
Andrew Wiggins is a Bust
The value of a #1 pick lies in the star potential of the player chosen, and thus far Wiggins has shown close to zero star upside. It is time to stop treating Wiggins as a potential star– at this point he is a just a super athlete who has a sliver of NBA upside that will not be franchise changing. Even if he may go on to have a decent career, given his draft hype and #1 overall selection it is not too soon to say that Andrew Wiggins is officially a bust.
https://deanondraft.com/2023/02/01/t...ide-of-upside/
But what about Giannis?
Once in a while a mystery box prospect will grow two inches, fill out from a skinny kid into an explosive tank, and make major leaps in his game every season and become Giannis. But it may be another 100+ drafts before we see another young + toolsy mystery box succeed like him. Much more commonly you end up with either a bust, or a somewhat useful but flawed player who the team continues to over-invest in.
And as great as it is to hit on a Giannis in the mid-1st, it is even better to land a Nikola Jokic in the mid-2nd. Jokic required a much less valuable pick, and based on pre-draft info he clearly had a better median outcome than Giannis.
Jokic slid a full round later than Giannis due to his perceived lack of upside in spite of having excellent performance as a teenager in the Adriatic League, while Giannis struggled in his small samples of lower Greek Divisions. Yet they have had similarly valuable NBA careers.
Given the superior cost efficiency of Jokic and that no mystery box has provided close to the value of Giannis, it is difficult to argue that pure upside swings actually offer more upside than perceived low upside players who are clearly good.
Notice he tries to hide his racism behind Paulo Banchero who's Italian dad was born in America.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketba...-united-states
Paolo Banchero has not played for the United States in any youth setup. Banchero, who obtained an Italian passport two years ago, is eligible to play for Italy. He was even selected to the country's 24-man squad for the EuroBasket qualification window in November 2020.
In an appearance on "The Young Person Basketball Podcast with R.J. Hampton," Banchero discussed his Italian heritage. The Orlando Magic rookie explained that his great-great-grandfather and great-grandfather were from Italy, while his grandfather and father were born and raised in Seattle.
Last edited by JohnnyMax; 06-16-2023 at 12:19 PM.
Basing any analysis upon 20/20 hindsight on Giannis and Jokic is comical, but he is right that high floor players are overlooked too often (Derrick White, pick #29 is another good example). Spurs can certainly be a team who capitalizes on this mistakes of rivals in this regard.
To be fair, it wasn't ALL hindsight. He had Jokic at #16 on his big board.
16. Nikola Jokic: 6’11” C, Serbia, 19.4 yrs. DX: 42, ESPN: 31
His poor athleticism and speed make it fair to take his stats with a grain of salt, but based on his stats he appears to have a shot of becoming the best passing big man of all-time. That gives him a world of intrigue to me on its own.
That’s fair - my comment was less about Oden/Sampson being or not being generational prospects and more about the uniqueness of Victor. Whether he pans out or not, he’s generational. How often do 7’4” 19 year-olds with the skills that Victor possesses come into the league? He’s the first we’ve ever seen in 50+ years of NBA basketball…if that’s not generational then what the is?
everyone knew durant was going to be awesome, too. but oden was still the consensus top pick because he was going to be THAT good.
Oden flaming out due to injuries was such a bummer, one of my favorite prospects in the last 20 years. If any other team besides Portland drafted him, we'd be talking about his HOF career coming to an end soon tbh
Dean’s emphasis appears to be on value so I take his opinion higher on predicting quality role players. Despite what he says in that article, prioritizing winning a championship is actually the goal, though there are different ways to build a team, typically correlated with the owner’s whims and impulsivity.
Anyway. I like reading him and often see merit in what he says, but he still feels like a typically.
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