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    Fuzzy leaving the paint wide open....
    Sorry but using how much someone cares or doesn't care about something as the basis for best political outcomes is mindnumbingly stupid.

    I do like you claiming victory with no leg to stand on though.

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    Which is exactly what they do. Why do you care? You obviously do not because if you did you would do more.

    It's obvious, dimwit.
    I actually do want to know why they care about women's sports all the sudden.

    It isn't obvious.

    Ask your therapist how this is possible.

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    I actually do want to know why they care about women's sports all the sudden.

    It isn't obvious.

    Ask your therapist how this is possible.
    not just women's sports, the soppy-stern wailing and blubbering over unfairness in girls sports stands out.

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    I actually do want to know why they care about women's sports all the sudden.

    It isn't obvious.

    Ask your therapist how this is possible.
    What you care about regarding him is also meaningless in political context. I do like how you ask leading questions that you think you already know the answer to.

    I can always tell you have nothing substantive when you go DMC and make it all about the random person as opposed to the objective political reality. You claim to dump those types but you are just the same.

    There remains an objective reality in regards to gene expression. While you build strawmen to beat up it still continues on.

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    not just women's sports, the soppy-stern wailing and blubbering over unfairness in girls sports stands out.
    Are you capable of letting go off the emotion and addressing the reality of gene expression?

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    Lots of conservative voters have daughters who play sports, this is not an out-of-the-blue interest for them, imo.

    Excessive outrage over something with very little likely relevance or impact to their daughters? Absolutely. But it's too fringe and inconsequential an issue for liberals to fall on the sword over it. Focus on broader trans rights and stop allowing conservatives to dictate the terms of the discussion to an arena where they have sympathy.

    Care less about having the purest moral high ground and care more about winning.

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    Are you capable of letting go off the emotion and addressing the reality of gene expression?
    You care about gene expression. I'm talking about sports.

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    Lots of conservative voters have daughters who play sports, this is not an out-of-the-blue interest for them, imo.

    Excessive outrage over something with very little likely relevance or impact to their daughters? Absolutely. But it's too fringe and inconsequential an issue for liberals to fall on the sword over it. Focus on broader trans rights and stop allowing conservatives to dictate the terms of the discussion to an arena where they have sympathy.

    Care less about having the purest moral high ground and care more about winning.
    Sure.

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    Lots of conservative voters have daughters who play sports, this is not an out-of-the-blue interest for them, imo.

    Excessive outrage over something with very little likely relevance or impact to their daughters? Absolutely. But it's too fringe and inconsequential an issue for liberals to fall on the sword over it. Focus on broader trans rights and stop allowing conservatives to dictate the terms of the discussion to an arena where they have sympathy.

    Care less about having the purest moral high ground and care more about winning.
    That is my point exactly. Gene expression is a biological reality regardless of what one considers oneself.

    All the arbitrary human constructs of what a man or woman are supposed to be are the problem.

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    You care about gene expression. I'm talking about sports.
    Now you're dissembling like an idiot. Pass on your OCD round and round.

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    Lots of conservative voters have daughters who play sports, this is not an out-of-the-blue interest for them, imo.

    Excessive outrage over something with very little likely relevance or impact to their daughters? Absolutely. But it's too fringe and inconsequential an issue for liberals to fall on the sword over it. Focus on broader trans rights and stop allowing conservatives to dictate the terms of the discussion to an arena where they have sympathy.

    Care less about having the purest moral high ground and care more about winning.
    "Bad optics on an unpopular, electorally noncrucial issue. Better to leave the field to right wing assholes and racist sore losers who torment coaches, parents and little girls; the slight chance of being overtaken at the polls by antigay backlash is worth remaining out of the controversy."

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    "Bad optics on an unpopular, electorally noncrucial issue. Better to leave the field to right wing assholes and racist sore losers who torment coaches, parents and little girls; the slight chance of being overtaken at the polls by antigay backlash is worth remaining out of the controversy."
    Does having a Y chromosome lead to increase muscle and bone growth over someone who does not?

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    "Bad optics on an unpopular, electorally noncrucial issue. Better to leave the field to right wing assholes and racist sore losers who torment coaches, parents and little girls; the slight chance of being overtaken at the polls by antigay backlash is worth remaining out of the controversy."
    You bet it's worth it. I don't understand why you consistently care more about having the morally righteous side of an argument than actually winning elections so that morally unrighteous laws can be stopped.

    Parents of trans kids have had their rights stripped by Republican state legislatures over the past year, I care far more about the rights of hundreds (thousands?) of Texas parents to give care to their trans kids at the recommendation of their doctor than I do one or two of those kids being allowed to play sports, especially when there are innumerable other school activities to participate in: Band, theater, math club, debate, cheer, etc.

    And you're being extremely tone deaf about the people who oppose trans girls competing in girls sports. They're not all phobes. That kind of loses elections too.

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    What you care about regarding him is also meaningless in political context. I do like how you ask leading questions that you think you already know the answer to.

    I can always tell you have nothing substantive when you go DMC and make it all about the random person as opposed to the objective political reality. You claim to dump those types but you are just the same.

    There remains an objective reality in regards to gene expression. While you build strawmen to beat up it still continues on.
    Could this line be any richer

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    Now you're dissembling like an idiot. Pass on your OCD round and round.
    no

    People can have differing viewpoints. You're getting pissy because I don't ascribe to your forced orthodoxy.

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    Lots of conservative voters have daughters who play sports, this is not an out-of-the-blue interest for them, imo.

    Excessive outrage over something with very little likely relevance or impact to their daughters? Absolutely. But it's too fringe and inconsequential an issue for liberals to fall on the sword over it. Focus on broader trans rights and stop allowing conservatives to dictate the terms of the discussion to an arena where they have sympathy.

    Care less about having the purest moral high ground and care more about winning.
    Winning where? The Texas governor? You're gonna have to give a lot more moral ground to get that. Next up: library drag queens

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    no

    People can have differing viewpoints. You're getting pissy because I don't ascribe to your forced orthodoxy.
    Objective reality is what I am talking about. The reality of gene expression despite gender iden y and how that affects compe ive balance. This has objective real world outcomes in terms of kinesiology. That is not a differing viewpoint unless you are delusional.

    What I take issue with is you instead making about your people's viewpoints specifically how much they care.

    But we both know you were playing stupid as if you were not aware of how gene expression applies to try and start up your idiotic OCD nonsense.

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    Objective reality is what I am talking about. The reality of gene expression despite gender iden y and how that affects compe ive balance. This has objective real world outcomes in terms of kinesiology. That is not a differing viewpoint unless you are delusional.

    What I take issue with is you instead making about your people's viewpoints specifically how much they care.

    But we both know you were playing stupid as if you were not aware of how gene expression applies to try and start up your idiotic OCD nonsense.
    Your objective reality is hilariously subjective

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    Your objective reality is hilariously subjective
    Having a Y chromosome leads to additional muscle and bone mass over those those that do not is subjective? The studies on the muscle atrophy from transition are subjective?

    Get over me, dude.

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    Objective reality is what I am talking about. The reality of gene expression despite gender iden y and how that affects compe ive balance. This has objective real world outcomes in terms of kinesiology. That is not a differing viewpoint unless you are delusional.
    It differs from other viewpoints, genius.

    Jesus, you're so pretentious you can't even realize that.

    What I take issue with is you instead making about your people's viewpoints specifically how much they care.
    You're free to screech and make an issue about it.

    He never said he cared about any women's or girls' sports. I think that to be the case. I don't either; I just thought the relevant organizations already dealt with it just fine.

    But we both know you were playing stupid as if you were not aware of how gene expression applies to try and start up your idiotic OCD nonsense.
    I'm beginning to think you are truly stupid but own a thesaurus.

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    It differs from other viewpoints, genius.

    Jesus, you're so pretentious you can't even realize that.

    You're free to screech and make an issue about it.

    He never said he cared about any women's or girls' sports. I think that to be the case. I don't either; I just thought the relevant organizations already dealt with it just fine.

    I'm beginning to think you are truly stupid but own a thesaurus.
    So you do not believe in objective reality. You still think caring matters. Okay.

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    So you do not believe in objective reality.
    Straw man.

    you can't argue in good faith.

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    Straw man.

    you can't argue in good faith.
    Objective reality is independent of viewpoint. You insist on viewpoint. It's all ego with you.

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    Objective reality is independent of viewpoint. You insist on viewpoint. It's all ego with you.
    Nah. Policy is made from viewpoints. You need to talk to your therapist about your ego. Your projection on this board is apparent and hilarious.

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    Nah. Policy is made from viewpoints. You need to talk to your therapist about your ego. Your projection on this board is apparent and hilarious.
    If you say so. I think you are just feeling a similar disdain as I feel for you. The for tat thing just makes me think my barbs hit home, Chump.

    We are talking about the merits of policy not passing policy. I am saying let's look at objective reality in terms of actual outcomes like what happens to people's bodies as they grow and transition.

    You want to talk about how much your political opponents care.

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