The Only Seven Prospects the Spurs Would Select if San Antonio Trades for Another First Rounder

[lefty20]

Didn't they trade White and Murray just after extending them?

White was traded in the 1st year(49 games) of his 4 yr extension.

Murray was traded after finishing 2 years of his 4 yr extension.

[BacktoBasics]

Keldon is the most likely to be traded in a package with draft picks.

He is one of the few who have any trade value and the Spurs would be all right trading.
His skills can easily be replaced with a future draft pick if the spurs can move into the first round and get a PG they like.

To say his skills could “easily” be replaced by a future pick is really shortsighted. Most players drafted don’t produce numbers like he does. Most are out of the league within a few years.

Unless you’re returning equal or better production this off-season is a really stupid time to trade him barring a high level prospect such as scoot. It would have to be a really lopsided trade to move a guy on a golden contract who’s essentially slated to carry a good portion of the offensive load while you acclimate your franchise player to a new league, new team, new country.

Expecting your rookie to carry a burdensome offense load in order to move a proven talent and great locker room guy for a what-if draft pick that comes with moderate potential is just ty GMing.

The trade Keldon crowd is just stupid.

Don’t get me wrong though if Branham or some other pick ends up producing at a high rate or we sign a redundant player that for whatever reason becomes a better fit then I have no problem trading Keldon. I just think doing it now is a really bad idea.

I got no problem trading Keldon if it’s an upgrade either. Not gonna happen but if they want to move Keldon with picks for Brown I might be alright with that etc.

[Ariel]

White was traded in the 1st year(49 games) of his 4 yr extension.

Murray was traded after finishing 2 years of his 4 yr extension.

Derrick was drafted in '17, signed an extension in '20 that came into effect in '21, played half season on the extension with the Spurs and was traded in February '22 with 3 and a half years remaining in his contract. In this case, it's important to note that he was sent to a contender with a familiar coaching staff, so they were careful with him.
Dejounte was drafted in '16, signed an extension in '19 that came into effect in '20, played 2 seasons with the Spurs and was traded in June '22 with 2 years remaining in his contract.

[rascal]

To say his skills could “easily” be replaced by a future pick is really shortsighted. Most players drafted don’t produce numbers like he does. Most are out of the league within a few years.

Unless you’re returning equal or better production this off-season is a really stupid time to trade him barring a high level prospect such as scoot. It would have to be a really lopsided trade to move a guy on a golden contract who’s essentially slated to carry a good portion of the offensive load while you acclimate your franchise player to a new league, new team, new country.

Expecting your rookie to carry a burdensome offense load in order to move a proven talent and great locker room guy for a what-if draft pick that comes with moderate potential is just ty GMing.

The trade Keldon crowd is just stupid.

Don’t get me wrong though if Branham or some other pick ends up producing at a high rate or we sign a redundant player that for whatever reason becomes a better fit then I have no problem trading Keldon. I just think doing it now is a really bad idea.

I got no problem trading Keldon if it’s an upgrade either. Not gonna happen but if they want to move Keldon with picks for Brown I might be alright with that etc.

Then who do you want to trade? Or you're not willing to trade anyone. Have to be realistic with your trade offers. You're not getting Brown for Keldon and picks. Boston wants an upgrade too.

[BacktoBasics]

Then who do you want to trade? Or you're not willing to trade anyone. Have to be realistic with your trade offers. You're not getting Brown for Keldon and picks. Boston wants an upgrade too.

I’d package picks if the right offer is on the table. I also wouldn’t be desperate to make moves. No one is untradable so I’m not saying that but I think Vassell, Keldon, Sochan and Wemby is a good core to run with at least this season.

Right now the buzz is to trade Keldon but I think unless you’re returning equal or better production I think that’s a bad move. Vassell and Keldon will take a ton of pressure off Wemby on the offensive end.

I don’t think it would be wise to trade away a guy who’s prepped and ready to carry the offensive load unless you can replace that right away.

I’d hate to see Wemby and Vassell be forced to carry the offense. I think that’s a bad idea.

[rascal]

The Spurs are one of the least talented teams in the league yet people don't want to trade any of their players to move up in the draft.

[BacktoBasics]

The Spurs are one of the least talented teams in the league yet people don't want to trade any of their players to move up in the draft.

Based on a tanked season. You have a relatively cohesive team that seemed to have some level of chemistry. Most of us feel that if we weren’t tanking we’d be a lot closer to .500.

No one is intradable but it’s dumb to move production on the available potential after 5.

[Mr. Body]

Keldon became a thing once picks 6, Orlando, and especially 7, Indiana, were declared to be on the market. He's the only basis the Spurs have to get to those picks. Whether the FO would do it is another question.

I don't see any way to get into the top 10 using only a basket of picks. None of those teams need to get off salary, either.

The 10, 11, possibly the 18, 21, 22, and like the 19 (GSW) might be available for future picks. A team like Dallas requires active, useful players out of this offseason. Overall, the Spurs could try to 'buy' a pick in the late teens or early twenties using cap room and a future pick and seconds, and then use this to entice a Dallas-type team that needs something out of this year. By then you're looking at possibly three future picks to get into the first round again. That's just the cost of manufacturing a late lottery pick out of nothing.

[lefty20]

The Spurs are one of the least talented teams in the league yet people don't want to trade any of their players to move up in the draft.

It's better to overpay for a know commodity instead of breaking the bank for a youngin who may or may not pan out. Too many fans get caught up in trying to make a trade just for the sake of trading. Running a franchise like you're playing 2k is a surefire way of running it into the ground.

[JPB]

The Spurs are one of the least talented teams in the league yet people don't want to trade any of their players to move up in the draft.

For a young prospect who will take a few years to develop, if he actually does and maybe not to Keldon's level...And some people want to add picks at that...
Keldon is a valualbe player, these kids are total unknown and I don't see any (except Scoot but he's off limits) worth even just trading Keldon for. Yeah some people are definitely too happy about this draft and want to make a move just for the sake of it... Not sure spurs are that happy.

[rascal]

For young a prospect who will take a few years to develop, if he actually does and maybe not to Keldon's level...And some people want to ass picks at that...
Keldon is a valualbe player, these kids are total unknown and I don't see any (except Scoot but he's off limits) worth even just trading Keldon for

All players in the draft are unknown.

The Spurs are still in building mode and trying to build a future championship team around wemby.

Moving into the lottery this year when there are very solid options at PG, a position that the spurs need an upgrade at and grabbing a player with lottery upside is a smart play as none of the future draft picks are guaranteed to be top ten picks or even lottery picks and players in the top ten/lottery hit with higher success rates.

[Kirbyk21]

Personally I like Keldon but trade him in a heart beat for this…opens up $20 mil in Salary and hopefully we get Black…

we would have a crap ton of space to sign a center (Naz Reid?) + get Chris Paul to mentor the team…

PG : Paul / Black / Graham
SG: Vassell / Branham /Graham / Langford if we resign
SF: Sochan/ McD / Diop
PF: Wemby / McD / Sando / Bassey
C: Reid / Collins / Sando / Bassey

plus a ton of picks in the future….

I don’t know what it would take to get pacers pick but of course
the stereotypical trade analyzer tells me Keldon plus our two seconds get it….

maybe you give up the crappy hornets first in it?

id probably do it?

[rankingtear]

Harder to find a wing. You put yourself in a worse position in terms of team building. You would be competing with half of the league to get a starting level wing player. Instead of securing that spot for 18 mil you now need to pay 30 mil for a comparable one.

[objective]

Never been a big Keldon fan but I don't like anyone from picks 6-14 enough to trade him for unless Amen Thompson slips.

I like Coulibaly and Cason, but not so much to leave a big hole in the roster, would rather package multiple picks together to get those guys.

I was listening to a Pacers podcast where the subject was "Straight up players for #7 proposals" and of course Keldon (+ more Spurs picks) was one of them and I think those pacer fan hosts really didn't understand how Keldon would affect their team.

1st, they laid out the strange logic that Keldon (and Vassell) wasn't that good because he put up numbers on a bad team. They of course ignored the fact that Halliburton had spent his whole career putting up numbers on trash teams.

Anyway, the conventional wisdom of the national media but especially the Pacer centric media is that Halliburton is so incredible as a creator that he makes everyone sooooo much better. He passes people open using only his eyeballs! He creates the entire world anew when his holy fingers grace the basket-orb, and his cosmic glow glistens an intense never before seen rocketship rise in shot quality and points per shot opportunities for all his earthly teammates, elevating them beyond human boundaries.

That's the perfect teammate for Keldon, who excels as a finisher. If he's getting the ball in great positions on the move from Godiburton his scoring will rise and his efficiency will soar. Who was creating for him in San Antonio? Himself and a menagerie of on ball experiments of Vassell, of Poeltl hand offs, of Jones, primo, Richardson, Sochan, Graham, Branham, Wesley ...

No doubt in my mind Keldon would score 25 a night on Indiana, they would be lucky to get him for #7

[Mr. Body]

People never watch Spurs games, yet have big opinions about the players. Then when the players get traded, it's all like "Man, we need a player like Derrick White, who knew how good he was?"

[objective]

People never watch Spurs games, yet have big opinions about the players. Then when the players get traded, it's all like "Man, we need a player like Derrick White, who knew how good he was?"

Absolutely.

As soon as DeRozan was in Chicago, a switch flipped for the media: "Wow, who knew that DeRozan could pass like this? His defense isn't really that bad either. Let's rank him on an MVP ladder every week!"

They do have those big opinions. I still remember in 2019 when Dunc'd On did their yearly awards show and declared DeRozan winner of "Worst Defender in the NBA". Clearly they didn't actually watch the Spurs play because he wasn't even the worst Spur on defense, Bryn Forbes was starting next to him for crying out loud.

[BacktoBasics]

The likelihood is significantly higher that picks 5-14 will bust than those picks being as good as Keldon let alone better. I completely understand if you’re looking at super high potential like scoot and maybe even a freak athlete like Amen but the chances of producing a better player than Keldon with picks 5-14 isn’t an intelligent gamble.

Take a swing once you’ve replaced his productivity.

[kobyz]

I think with Orlando having very young roster with already too much prospects to develop we might could obtain from them #11 for future draft consideration

[JPB]

All players in the draft are unknown.

The Spurs are still in building mode and trying to build a future championship team around wemby.

Moving into the lottery this year when there are very solid options at PG, a position that the spurs need an upgrade at and grabbing a player with lottery upside is a smart play as none of the future draft picks are guaranteed to be top ten picks or even lottery picks and players in the top ten/lottery hit with higher success rates.

Indeed, all these players are unknow and that's the whole point, we can't affirm there are "very solid options at PG", specially most are not even lottery projected. We really can't... People are way to happy about these young players and this draft, most of these teens won't make it.... Spurs had their pick already in this draft, they don't necessaruly HAVE to get another pick. sure if they can take a flyer on another kid for a reasonable prize, but losing Keldion or Devin for them, or good picks, doesn't make sense.

Spurs should upgrade with a pick in the 20s at the PG postiion from the pick they got last year in the 20s (Wesley)....Then if this pick does'nt pan out, do they upgrade next year with another pick...?

You can upgrade via trades to get a proven quality vet, that's where you'll eventually trade KJ or DV... That's known value for know value... Spurs won't lose several picks and/or Keldon/Vassel for any of these unproven PGs... This isn't Pro Basketball GM and spurs will be much more cautious with their assets than fans are.

[JPB]

Here's a detailed analysis of FRP value:
https://www.bruinsportsanalytics.com...ba_first_round

Notable from that analysis:



After 20, you basically have like 65 to 80% chances to get an unproductive, a bench or a rotation guy. In the lottery, that's 50% chances. (With some surprising trends for a few spots... So yeah, it's important to value what you have and not overvalue what you could get for that.

"For every Lebron James, there's an Anthony Bennett.
For every Tim Duncan, there's a Michael Olowokandi."

[exstatic]

Didn't they trade White and Murray just after extending them?

Murray was traded two years into his four year extension, one of the reasons we got such a good return. White was traded most of one season into his extension.

[exstatic]

Keldon became a thing once picks 6, Orlando, and especially 7, Indiana, were declared to be on the market. He's the only basis the Spurs have to get to those picks. Whether the FO would do it is another question.

I don't see any way to get into the top 10 using only a basket of picks. None of those teams need to get off salary, either.

The 10, 11, possibly the 18, 21, 22, and like the 19 (GSW) might be available for future picks. A team like Dallas requires active, useful players out of this offseason. Overall, the Spurs could try to 'buy' a pick in the late teens or early twenties using cap room and a future pick and seconds, and then use this to entice a Dallas-type team that needs something out of this year. By then you're looking at possibly three future picks to get into the first round again. That's just the cost of manufacturing a late lottery pick out of nothing.

OKC got to #11 last year with 3 FRPs. None of them had the possibility of our Toronto pick. One of them was Denver’s pick in this years draft, #27, which they have since flipped. One of them was a Wiz Pick which looked tasty at the time, but, protected 13,11,9 from 2024 on, may not even convey if they blow it up like it appears they will. The 3rd pick was Detroits, protected 19,14,12,10 Starting in 2024. That's not even as good as our Chicago pick.

I’m pretty sure our CHI,CHA,TOR Picks get us into the top 10, if that the way we want to go.

[John B]

It's better to overpay for a know commodity instead of breaking the bank for a youngin who may or may not pan out. Too many fans get caught up in trying to make a trade just for the sake of trading. Running a franchise like you're playing 2k is a surefire way of running it into the ground.

Trading coach favorite GH for a 15th pick.

If PATFO sees something special on Anthony Black, for instance, then I trust that they would do their due diligence to get it done. Personally I like to pair a young potential All-Star defensive starting caliber PG with Wemby. Timmy and Tony, Wemby and Black.

[Mr. Body]

OKC got to #11 last year with 3 FRPs. None of them had the possibility of our Toronto pick. One of them was Denver’s pick in this years draft, #27, which they have since flipped. One of them was a Wiz Pick which looked tasty at the time, but, protected 13,11,9 from 2024 on, may not even convey if they blow it up like it appears they will. The 3rd pick was Detroits, protected 19,14,12,10 Starting in 2024. That's not even as good as our Chicago pick.

I’m pretty sure our CHI,CHA,TOR Picks get us into the top 10, if that the way we want to go.

I don't see a single team in the top 10 who would trade their pick away for the future, though, do you?

[JPB]

Spurs are not trading up in the top 10, specially at all the mentioned prizes, stop fantasizing people.