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    This is a good trade for Phoenix, they sent a player they were going to waive, plus a lesser role player, for a a big time scorer. After the Durant trade Phoenix had no tradable assets other than Ayton, now they're free to use him to replenish their lost depth. This is possibly the only pathway to keep their window open for a couple of years, if they play their cards right.
    Beal has a franchise crippling contract. 35% of the cap for a shooter who isn't an especially great shooter and who is always hurt. Bradley Beal is not a guy I'd go into the second apron for. I don't think he's an upgrade over CP0, at least in the short term.

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    No way they keep Ayton after that. Could Spurs be in place for trade ?
    He’s abandoned going to the rim in favor of floaters. He barely give any effort, and his teammates ing hate him.

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    Phoenix is proper ed for the forseeable future.

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    I can’t wait for them to be in the second apron next year, and have their 2031 FRP put off limits from trading. Any further offense in the following three seasons see it automatically moved to the end of the first round.

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    He’s abandoned going to the rim in favor of floaters. He barely give any effort, and his teammates ing hate him.
    I did not follow Suns, like at all, but this sounds like he will be close to cap relief value in trade.

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    I did not follow Suns, like at all, but this sounds like he will be close to cap relief value in trade.
    I think there will be teams that see him as a positive value. The Spurs will not be one of those teams.

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    Suns are going to be at the second tax apron just counting four players year after this one, I believe. They don't even have many players under contract starting this off-season, so they have to basically get plumbers and guys off the street. I haven't even looked at their picks situation yet.

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    they are also looking to add a 3rd team to send chris Paul to. What’s crazy is that, Beal also has the power on where Paul goes to. He has all the power to deny any trade he desires. So if multiple teams are in the mix for Paul, he could choose to accept the trade that he wants to. I bet after this, there are not gonna be many contracts like that anymore if any.

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    Suns are going to be at the second tax apron just counting four players year after this one, I believe. They don't even have many players under contract starting this off-season, so they have to basically get plumbers and guys off the street. I haven't even looked at their picks situation yet.
    What picks? (That's pretty close to summing up their pick situation)....

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    I'm so happy. Phoenix is going to not win and still get low draft picks.

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    Ok I need a cap expert here. Bc I’m hearing people say that the Suns should trade Ayton for depth. But isn’t the only reason they can have Aytons contract over the cap bc he was drafted by them. And like other players they bring in on a trade and they are over the cap doesn’t their salary basically double bc of the punitive luxury tax implications. Like I’m not harshly punished bc I have Ayton but if I trade him for equal salary then I become punished bc those players are new? Something like that or I’m just off my rocker?

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    All those guys can play without the ball in their hands
    And stay happy? Doubtful. Someone demands a trade before next summer. Book it.

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    What picks? (That's pretty close to summing up their pick situation)....
    Looking it up... they have absolutey NO draft picks incoming this decade. None. Only Dallas and Toronto are in the same situation. This is what Phoenix owes:

    2025 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2025 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2027 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2027 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2028 first round draft pick to Brooklyn (swap, Brooklyn or Philadelphia incoming)
    Brooklyn has the right to swap its 2028 1st round pick or, if conveyed to Brooklyn, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick for Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2029 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2029 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2029 second round draft pick to Oklahoma City
    Phoenix's 2029 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    So... they owe every other year to Brooklyn, but they do have their SRPs.

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    Devin Booker - beta who learned how to win from Chris Paul
    Kevin Durant - biggest beta in sports history
    Deandre Ayton - soft pathetic loser who lost his spot to Jock Landale in the POs
    Bradley Beal - B player making A+++ cash money

    Getting League Pass to watch this mess. The starters will sometimes come out to like 8-12 point leads and the bench will get crushed by 20 just in the half.

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    Devin Booker - beta who learned how to win from Chris Paul
    Kevin Durant - biggest beta in sports history
    Deandre Ayton - soft pathetic loser who lost his spot to Jock Landale in the POs
    Bradley Beal - B player making A+++ cash money

    Getting League Pass to watch this mess. The starters will sometimes come out to like 8-12 point leads and the bench will get crushed by 20 just in the half.
    They should ideally turn Ayton into a bunch of lesser role players and 2nd round picks and get under the 2nd apron.
    I wonder if Beal would be willing to go for a Manu type role, leading the 2nd unit and finishing games.

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    And stay happy? Doubtful. Someone demands a trade before next summer. Book it.
    Durant will be the laughing stock of the NBA if he tries to force his way out of another team, I don't think he'll do that. Beal basically just hand picked Phoenix, and he was fine staying in Washington for years. I don't think that happens.

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    Ok I need a cap expert here. Bc I’m hearing people say that the Suns should trade Ayton for depth. But isn’t the only reason they can have Aytons contract over the cap bc he was drafted by them. And like other players they bring in on a trade and they are over the cap doesn’t their salary basically double bc of the punitive luxury tax implications. Like I’m not harshly punished bc I have Ayton but if I trade him for equal salary then I become punished bc those players are new? Something like that or I’m just off my rocker?
    Not how it works.

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    Clippers injury rehab center is gonna get even busier next year come playoff time.

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    Clippers injury rehab center is gonna get even busier next year come playoff time.
    Thank god, just stay away from the Spurs

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    Looking it up... they have absolutey NO draft picks incoming this decade. None. Only Dallas and Toronto are in the same situation. This is what Phoenix owes:

    2025 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2025 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2027 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2027 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2028 first round draft pick to Brooklyn (swap, Brooklyn or Philadelphia incoming)
    Brooklyn has the right to swap its 2028 1st round pick or, if conveyed to Brooklyn, Philadelphia's 2028 1st round pick for Phoenix's 2028 1st round pick [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2029 first round draft pick to Brooklyn
    Phoenix's 2029 1st round pick to Brooklyn [Brooklyn-Indiana-Milwaukee-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    2029 second round draft pick to Oklahoma City
    Phoenix's 2029 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Phoenix, 2/9/2023]

    So... they owe every other year to Brooklyn, but they do have their SRPs.
    Exactly... I believe the every other year picks they do have now have swap rights with Washington(in Washington'sfavor). They've also sent in some of those 2nd's to Washington.

    It's disastrously awful...

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    Durant will be the laughing stock of the NBA if he tries to force his way out of another team, I don't think he'll do that. Beal basically just hand picked Phoenix, and he was fine staying in Washington for years. I don't think that happens.
    Kevin Durant turns 35 before the season starts. He played only 55 and 47 games the last two seasons. After next season, he'll be at $51 and then $54 million. I guess a team might go after him as an expiring and useful player that last season. What's really funny is Booker and Beal will also be making more than $50 million a season by that point.

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    Exactly... I believe the every other year picks they do have now have swap rights with Washington(in Washington'sfavor). They've also sent in some of those 2nd's to Washington.

    It's disastrously awful...
    I'm hearing about those swaps with Washington. I suppose we don't know what years?

    I think Suns need to win it all next year and then it starts going south, if it doesn't already. In their favor is a wasteland of a Western Conference. They probably get a lot of ring-chasers to sign for vet minimum. I don't see how they avoid the second tax apron immediately and basically on a permanent basis...

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    It’s swaps, but those should be useless since i have a hard time seeing Wiz ever being better than PHX in the short turn

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    It’s swaps, but those should be useless since i have a hard time seeing Wiz ever being better than PHX in the short turn
    I think it can only be 24 or 26 swaps. Yeah, probably not worth anything since the Wizz will be awful.

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    Kevin Durant turns 35 before the season starts. He played only 55 and 47 games the last two seasons. After next season, he'll be at $51 and then $54 million. I guess a team might go after him as an expiring and useful player that last season. What's really funny is Booker and Beal will also be making more than $50 million a season by that point.
    I wouldn't have traded for Durant at the expense of Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson and their whole war chest of picks, but they did and now they're all in and the only way is up. They were not going anywhere as it was and had limited options at adding talent, they solved that problem and now they need to turn Ayton into a functional supporting cast. They have a narrow window of a couple of years to win and in that sense they're at better position than they were in at the beginning of the day.
    I don't see how they avoid the second tax apron immediately and basically on a permanent basis...
    They're currently at 171.3M, with the 2nd apron being at 179.5M reportedly, which is 8.2M below. Ayton makes 32.5M, so if they move him they can add 40.7M until they reach the 2nd apron if my calculations are correct.

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