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    I went and checked the season pages just to be sure, and none of the 4 modern GS championship squads had 4 20 point scorers. Two of them, the Durant ones, had 3, and two of them only had 2. The Heatles 4 year run had three years of two 20 point scorers, and one year of just LeBron.

    Putting the ball in the hole isn’t our problem. We were historically, hysterically bad on defense, and Kuz doesn’t help that.
    The reason teams don’t have multiple 20-point scorers is because there is only one basketball and so many possessions per game.

    What happens, or at least what should happen if the team plays correctly, is that the scorers’ usage and ppg goes down but their fg% goes up because they take more efficient shots.

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    Well, maybe dynasties begin when you zag when other times zig. That’s how the Spurs have always operated tbh. They paved the way for a lot of the things in the NBA and maybe the new norm will be to pile up on talented scorers around your cornerstone.

    And before you respond with more stats, i’m not that invested in this. This is just an idea that’s being thrown out and I don’t truly know if it will lead to success. I just know one thing and that the idea of adding more talented scorers is an appealing thought.
    What you propose has been tried. Mike D’Antoni has made a career out of it. Paul Westhead tried a more extreme version 30 years ago. It hasn’t delivered anybody any championships.

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    I think SAS liked him before Sochan. There is a ton of value in guys like him and Markannen before if the price is right. He would go to a team with a clear role, SAC is a no brainer for him. Fit, role and location.

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    What you propose has been tried. Mike D’Antoni has made a career out of it. Paul Westhead tried a more extreme version 30 years ago. It hasn’t delivered anybody any championships.
    I’m not saying to make the game plan entirely-offense oriented. I’m saying to fill the roster with potent scorers, and still stick to the defensive mindset (preferably balanced). Of course this doesn’t work with hopeless defenders like Forbes and Mills. But Kuz is not that.

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    Pop has been positive about Kuzma in the past, could be on the radar.

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    The reason teams don’t have multiple 20-point scorers is because there is only one basketball and so many possessions per game.

    What happens, or at least what should happen if the team plays correctly, is that the scorers’ usage and ppg goes down but their fg% goes up because they take more efficient shots.
    What actually happens is that someone has to become Heatle Chris Bosh, and sacrifice touches and scoring. He dropped almost 8 ppg from his final Toronto season to his final Heat season four years later.

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    What actually happens is that someone has to become Heatle Chris Bosh, and sacrifice touches and scoring. He dropped almost 8 ppg from his final Toronto season to his final Heat season four years later.
    Exactly, to clarify what I’m saying: i’m not expecting them to all continue to be 20 ppg scorers, but how deadly would it be if any given night any of the four out of five guys on your team could go off for a scoring burst?

    I mean it’s kind of like what happened with Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves. And it’s going to happen with the Suns this year too provided Beal isn’t injured.

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    I'm not sold on Kuzma at all, though to be fair all I'm really doing is looking at his bkref page.

    He's a meh 3 point shooter (34%, albeit on high volume) and advanced stats say he's just kind of average. I'd be afraid of paying him a Keldon-like contract for a player who seems to have just put up big counting stats on a bad team. Kind of like Keldon.

    The more I think about it, the more I really don't want both Kuzma and Keldon on the Spurs. And even if the Spurs trade Keldon I don't think I would want Kuzma on a 4/80 type deal.

    btw according to bkref Sochan played 95% of his minutes at PF.

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    I'm not sold on Kuzma at all, though to be fair all I'm really doing is looking at his bkref page.

    He's a meh 3 point shooter (34%, albeit on high volume) and advanced stats say he's just kind of average. I'd be afraid of paying him a Keldon-like contract for a player who seems to have just put up big counting stats on a bad team. Kind of like Keldon.

    The more I think about it, the more I really don't want both Kuzma and Keldon on the Spurs. And even if the Spurs trade Keldon I don't think I would want Kuzma on a 4/80 type deal.

    btw according to bkref Sochan played 95% of his minutes at PF.
    Yeah, I don’t think bkref is accurate with that at all. KBD, Keldon or Vassell or whoever at SG, Sochan all played on the court together this past season.

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    Exactly, to clarify what I’m saying: i’m not expecting them to all continue to be 20 ppg scorers, but how deadly would it be if any given night any of the four out of five guys on your team could go off for a scoring burst?

    I mean it’s kind of like what happened with Gabe Vincent and Austin Reaves. And it’s going to happen with the Suns this year too provided Beal isn’t injured.
    That's what role players are for. Austin Reaves and Vincent are role-players and paid (relatively) accordingly. Stars get you into the playoffs, better stars get you deeper, but role-players win you the final games. There's not a championship I remember where key role-players didn't step up and make plays, went off, anything, whether it was Robert Horry or the Steve Kerr game in 2003 or Bruce Brown this year. If you have role-players, you're going to get destroyed.

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    That's what role players are for. Austin Reaves and Vincent are role-players and paid (relatively) accordingly. Stars get you into the playoffs, better stars get you deeper, but role-players win you the final games. There's not a championship I remember where key role-players stepped up and made plays, went off, anything, whether it was Robert Horry or the Steve Kerr game in 2003 or Bruce Brown this year. If you have role-players, you're going to get destroyed.
    Yeah, well, Kuz will be a role player on this team then. Not expecting him to have a bigger role than that, and I’m only welcoming him at a role playerish salary.

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    Yeah, well, Kuz will be a role player on this team then. Not expecting him to have a bigger role than that, and I’m only welcoming him at a role playerish salary.
    Dude wants to play in a big city where he can drive around with his top down and swagger into the club and get noticed. He's stated this outright.

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    Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.

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    Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.
    Dude drove KD out of town for ego reasons. Pass

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    Draymond declined his option. Another FA to go after. Before someone mentions the Poole incident— that implies he’s a player like him wouldn’t be able to be part of a championship team because of his behavior. Well, that obviously isn’t true since he’s been part of four. He would provide a huge boost to the team’s basketball IQ.
    Big fan of a run at Dray. What better org to keep him in check than the Spurs, and what better situation for him to fully transition to a vet mentorship role than getting to a team with a rookie generational talent. He's so clearly not in the Spurs' timeline for contention that they can throw him money and have everything set up on day 1.

    He's not gonna bark his bark without Steph to back him up, and I like some of the feistiness to his game. Him mentoring Sochan? Deadly...

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    Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?

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    I wouldn’t be against Draymond but, that’s why we have Sochan is to be a hopefully better version of him.

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    Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?
    The same way we remember Tony sexting a teammate's wife. In context, or lack thereof.

    I'm not really concerned he's gonna start throwing punches to our guys, and he's smarter than causing troubles at his likely last stop before retirement, specially an org as well-respected as the Spurs. He's got everything to lose, especially aiming for a media career after he's done playing.

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    I wouldn’t be against Draymond but, that’s why we have Sochan is to be a hopefully better version of him.
    What better way to have Sochan growing into a better Draymond, than having Draymond himself teaching and playing against him daily in practice, tbh?

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    The same way we remember Tony sexting a teammate's wife. In context, or lack thereof.

    I'm not really concerned he's gonna start throwing punches to our guys, and he's smarter than causing troubles at his likely last stop before retirement, specially an org as well-respected as the Spurs. He's got everything to lose, especially aiming for a media career after he's done playing.
    You think sexting somebody is the same as punching a guy during practice? Huh.

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    I like the though of Draymond protecting wembanyama and focusing his fire on the other er teams Big. I don't like the idea of him focusing his fire on his teammates. Its just to much of a wildcard for me.

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    Big fan of a run at Dray. What better org to keep him in check than the Spurs, and what better situation for him to fully transition to a vet mentorship role than getting to a team with a rookie generational talent. He's so clearly not in the Spurs' timeline for contention that they can throw him money and have everything set up on day 1.

    He's not gonna bark his bark without Steph to back him up, and I like some of the feistiness to his game. Him mentoring Sochan? Deadly...
    yep, big fan because of how smart he is on the floor. You don’t become as good as he is/was on the defensive end without BBIQ especially since his physical tools aren’t outstanding. Probably in the top tier of smartest active NBA players along with CP3.

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    Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?
    Imagine the media circus if he came here and knocked out Wemby

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    Do we all remember how Draymond punched a teammate in practice and this destroyed team chemistry for the entire year?
    you're only allowed one punch on a teammate (except if you're MJ). The one thing you can be sure of is that Draymond knows he better behave now if he wants to keep on cashing in good NBA money. Not advocating for his signing, but comportement wise, it's actually now that his value is at its peak...

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    Draymond wants to get one last payday before he’s old and washed, and you can’t blame him. He’s stated he wants to stay in GS, and likely will, but if the Spurs or any other team offered him the bag that neither the Warriors or Lakers can currently afford, I think he’d at least consider it tbh.

    Ultimately though, I think he re-signs in Golden State. Only way he would take a significant pay cut is to play with Bron in LA imo.

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