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    Chances of this guy being there at 33?



    If Pop can coach his flaws, he would be a steal, tbh.
    Looking at some mocks, it seems like he could be available even at 44. I'd add him to the wish list of second round prospects.

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    Chances of this guy being there at 33?



    If Pop can coach his flaws, he would be a steal, tbh.
    Shhhhhh . . .

    Nothing to see here, move along.

    (Not quite yet, my perceptive friend.)

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    He'll be there at 44, there will be better prospects at 33.
    Yeah, did a little research and seems like that would be the case. I wouldn't mind him at 33 either, tbh. I don't see that kind of shooting and scoring versatility on other 2nd round prospects, and his flaws (defense, playmaking) seem very coachable since he has the physical tools and talent to work on them.

    If Pop can work his magic, that kind of offensive talent could easily translate into all-star level. If it doesn't pan out, it was just a 2nd round pick. Seems like a high reward-low risk pick, imho.

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    Yeah, did a little research and seems like that would be the case. I wouldn't mind him at 33 either, tbh. I don't see that kind of shooting and scoring versatility on other 2nd round prospects, and his flaws (defense, playmaking) seem very coachable since he has the physical tools and talent to work on them.

    If Pop can work his magic, that kind of offensive talent could easily translate into all-star level. If it doesn't pan out, it was just a 2nd round pick. Seems like a high reward-low risk pick, imho.
    small, one-dimensional combo guards are dime a dozen, there will likely be several wings available at that pick that spot that are much better value, or someone like Colby Jones. I would like to add another pick on top of 33 instead of moving up from it, because I really see value being available there.

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    small, one-dimensional combo guards are dime a dozen, there will likely be several wings available at that pick that spot that are much better value, or someone like Colby Jones. I would like to add another pick on top of 33 instead of moving up from it, because I really see value being available there.
    He's electric. He's not a dime a dozen IMO.

    He could be a bust but he could be a difference-maker and a capstone piece for years to come. Most of these other guys don't have that possibility.

    The time to draft high-floor role players is 2-3 years from now. Now is the time to swing for the fences.

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    small, one-dimensional combo guards are dime a dozen, there will likely be several wings available at that pick that spot that are much better value, or someone like Colby Jones. I would like to add another pick on top of 33 instead of moving up from it, because I really see value being available there.
    Isn't your dream scenario Jaquez at 33? I'd much rather swing for the fences with a guy like Smith than drafting a slow 22 year old wing that does much of his damage in a way that probably will never be able to play in the NBA: lots of mid postup isos.

    Sure, chances are that Smith doesn't ever amount to anything, while Jaquez might find a role as fringe rotational piece, but I would rather go for the higher upside with our 2nd round picks.

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    Isn't your dream scenario Jaquez at 33? I'd much rather swing for the fences with a guy like Smith than drafting a slow 22 year old wing that does much of his damage in a way that probably will never be able to play in the NBA: lots of mid postup isos.

    Sure, chances are that Smith doesn't ever amount to anything, while Jaquez might find a role as fringe rotational piece, but I would rather go for the higher upside with our 2nd round picks.
    Swing for the fences is usually euphemism for pipe dream. Last year Patrick Baldwin Jr was a "high upside" prospect, that is an overused tag that usually means you f'n sucked. This year it's Nick Smith Jr, GG Jackson, Emoni Bates, etc, those guys have a very low chance of ever panning out, and even if they do it's long term and they're not that special to begin with. 2nd round guys that succeed are usually not "high upside", but rather "high floor" misconstrued as "low upside": Andrew Nembhard, Herb Jones, Jalen Brunson, Malcom Brogdon, etc. A smart and skilled guy usually finds a way around.
    What are Nick Smith Jr and Terquavion Smith "best case scenarios" comps? Even then, one way, undersized shooting guards end up producing enough flash to trick a team into giving them big contracts, only to become a burden shortly after (Poole, Herro, soon Maxey). There's a bunch of such guys every year, with little to tell one apart from the other. I'd take the Derrick White types, find a couple of those and they're more likely to get you a star via trade than you are to find a gem in a mystery box.

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    Swing for the fences is usually euphemism for pipe dream. Last year Patrick Baldwin Jr was a "high upside" prospect, that is an overused tag that usually means you f'n sucked. This year it's Nick Smith Jr, GG Jackson, Emoni Bates, etc, those guys have a very low chance of ever panning out, and even if they do it's long term and they're not that special to begin with. 2nd round guys that succeed are usually not "high upside", but rather "high floor" misconstrued as "low upside": Andrew Nembhard, Herb Jones, Jalen Brunson, Malcom Brogdon, etc. A smart and skilled guy usually finds a way around.
    What are Nick Smith Jr and Terquavion Smith "best case scenarios" comps? Even then, one way, undersized shooting guards end up producing enough flash to trick a team into giving them big contracts, only to become a burden shortly after (Poole, Herro, soon Maxey). There's a bunch of such guys every year, with little to tell one apart from the other. I'd take the Derrick White types, find a couple of those and they're more likely to get you a star via trade than you are to find a gem in a mystery box.
    Maxey is looking really good.

    How was Baldwin such a high prospect. He had the worst athleticism measurements pre draft.

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    Maxey is looking really good.

    How was Baldwin such a high prospect. He had the worst athleticism measurements pre draft.
    Maybe because athleticism is only part of the equation...and it's not the biggest part...

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    Maybe because athleticism is only part of the equation...and it's not the biggest part...
    Baldwin's stock fell with the poor athletic reports.

    So he wasn't regarded anymore as such a high prospect. Atleticism does play a big role in draft upside potential.

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    Baldwin's stock fell with the poor athletic reports.

    So he wasn't regarded anymore as such a high prospect. Atleticism does play a big role in draft upside potential.
    Baldwin's stock had already fallen long before the combine. He was injured during the season, and then the university fired his dad as coach.

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    Baldwin's stock fell with the poor athletic reports.

    So he wasn't regarded anymore as such a high prospect. Atleticism does play a big role in draft upside potential.
    As ex said....his stock fell from performance during the season....not from combine results..

    And yes, athleticism plays a role, but its not the most important factor. Just like analytics plays a role in evaluation while not being the only evaluation tool.

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    What about Dariq Whitehead?

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    Based on the laws of probability and historical precedent, there is a very good chance that at least one of these players will be available at 33 on draft day.
    Hey, what do you know? I was right yet again.

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