Reaction: Spurs Trade the 33rd Pick, Draft Sidy Cissoko at 44

[Mugen]

They cheaped out on #33, we know that

The failure to consolidate 33, 44 and a future 1st rounder to get into the 20s was a whiff. There were guys there that are a tier above Cissoko. Wouldn't have cost much at all and they got gunshy.

Scared money tbh

[Mr. Body]

Dallas acquired the trade exception on draft day, and i would venture to guess they didnt only have that conversation during the 3 minutes that dallas was on the clock. im sure OKC was cognizant of the cap ramifications of bertans because they had conversations in advance of the draft.

you have these convos and establish trade frameworks ahead of time, and then the trades either do or dont happen depending on whether targeted players are available or not

Dallas having a trade exception isn't really the point. Sacramento wanting to sell a pick to get rid of salary is. That's something you can't plan for. The Spurs - or anyone else - isn't going to realize Sacramento suddenly wants to lose their pick. Maybe they did beforehand, but I doubt it. They saw an opportunity, might have called a few teams, and some teams might have declined. Dallas didn't.

Maybe the Spurs were asked and said no. They don't want to take on bad salary simply for a #24 pick they didn't value.

So maybe they were aware, maybe they weren't. Either way, I don't think they would have done it. I suspect they have better ideas on how to use their cap space.

[Mr. Body]

They cheaped out on #33, we know that

The failure to consolidate 33, 44 and a future 1st rounder to get into the 20s was a whiff. There were guys there that are a tier above Cissoko. Wouldn't have cost much at all and they got gunshy.

Scared money tbh

I don't see anyone picked in the 20s who is better than Cissoko.

[Extra Stout]

They cheaped out on #33, we know that

The failure to consolidate 33, 44 and a future 1st rounder to get into the 20s was a whiff. There were guys there that are a tier above Cissoko. Wouldn't have cost much at all and they got gunshy.

Scared money tbh

I think I get it now. They don’t care about using draft capital to grab role players, even if one fits a need. They have the duration of Wemby’s first contract to pair him with a second star, and that’s what the draft capital is for. So they were willing to try to trade into the lottery for somebody they assessed to have that potential, but not just to get into the 20’s by which point all those players were gone.

[spurraider21]

Dallas having a trade exception isn't really the point. Sacramento wanting to sell a pick to get rid of salary is. That's something you can't plan for. The Spurs - or anyone else - isn't going to realize Sacramento suddenly wants to lose their pick. Maybe they did beforehand, but I doubt it. They saw an opportunity, might have called a few teams, and some teams might have declined. Dallas didn't.

Maybe the Spurs were asked and said no. They don't want to take on bad salary simply for a #24 pick they didn't value.

So maybe they were aware, maybe they weren't. Either way, I don't think they would have done it. I suspect they have better ideas on how to use their cap space.

do you think sacramento decided, on a whim, while they were on the clock, that "oh, lets see if we can find somebody to take on Holmes and we'll agree to move off this pick"

[spurraider21]

if the spurs wanted to move into the teens, maybe they buy that pick off sacto and use that 24 pick as ammo to trade up to 15, 16? these all can be mapped out in advance. not saying its easy peasy but man thats what these guys are paid for. we definitely had the necessary ammunition, both in draft capital and cap space

[Mugen]

I don't see anyone picked in the 20s who is better than Cissoko.

I don't believe you tbh.

[Mr. Body]

do you think sacramento decided, on a whim, while they were on the clock, that "oh, lets see if we can find somebody to take on Holmes and we'll agree to move off this pick"

No, but there was probably about thirty minutes when they were working with Dallas.

If they did call other teams, then they also passed. Holmes makes $12 million this year and next year. It's not a -ton of salary, but it's a lot for a middling 24 pick.

The Spurs, if called, didn't value it. If another open-cap team was called, or other teams with trade exceptions, they also passed. Dallas, desperate for new players, went for it.

Look, I get that we all wanted some big second draft pick to come onto the team. The only ones I personally cared about were gone well before 24. I'm not even sure why you're frantic about this. The team clearly is showing they don't want marginal players set on guaranteed salary. They already have like 12 players they want to work on already.

[Mr. Body]

I don't believe you tbh.

Man, take a look at the picks from 21 to 44. The draft at that point was flatter than the Texas Panhandle. There's not a single player I can say will be better than Cissoko. You're just steaming mad and evaluating things in terms of where picks were rather than who was selected.

LMK who is actually going to be better. Look through the entire list.

[DesignatedT]

I agree that the draft really fell off after 17. The Spurs weren't going to touch Whitmore and I really don't see anyone else worth trading future firsts for at that time. Those upset are just ing because they wanted to see the Spurs make a move. If there's evidence the Spurs could have moved into the top 17 and didn't then fine but 20-44 was pretty meh.

[baseline bum]

if the spurs wanted to move into the teens, maybe they buy that pick off sacto and use that 24 pick as ammo to trade up to 15, 16? these all can be mapped out in advance. not saying its easy peasy but man thats what these guys are paid for. we definitely had the necessary ammunition, both in draft capital and cap space

#16 would have been too late to get Bufkin and gotta think Atlanta couldn't be too thrilled with trading with the Spurs after they used their #15 on Bufkin as a Murray replacement and would have probably wanted one of their picks back. Which no way in I'm trading when they're unprotected and could be used in a future Durant like trade. Would you have given the Toronto and Chicago picks to get to #14? Don't think #24 plus one of those would have gotten you up to #14.

[JPB]

I agree that the draft really fell off after 17. The Spurs weren't going to touch Whitmore and I really don't see anyone else worth trading future firsts for at that time. Those upset are just ing because they wanted to see the Spurs make a move. If there's evidence the Spurs could have moved into the top 17 and didn't then fine but 20-44 was pretty meh.

People are pissed because spurs FO is smarter than them on BB issues. And they don't ask themselves why everyone didn't try to trade up in the 20s if that was so cheap, easy and worth it... They wanted a move, something, anything for players they never heard of 3 months ago and have 3/4 chances of ending as unproductive or random, rotation guys... That's what GMs are paid for, being smart and not impulsive or caught in the moment, see the larger picture. This isn't the last draft in history of humanity or the only way to bring talent in your team, I mean real, proven talent, not zero NBA game teens.

The best trades are the ones you don't make. Trading and lose assets just for the sake of it, or because ST badly wanted it, had no sens, unless it's a guy you REALLY LOVE... Spurs are in a good situation...

[spurraider21]

#16 would have been too late to get Bufkin and gotta think Atlanta couldn't be too thrilled with trading with the Spurs after they used their #15 on Bufkin as a Murray replacement and would have probably wanted one of their picks back. Which no way in I'm trading when they're unprotected and could be used in a future Durant like trade. Would you have given the Toronto and Chicago picks to get to #14? Don't think #24 plus one of those would have gotten you up to #14.

think hood-schifino was another option, though yes i preferred Bufkin as well

and yeah i woulda given those picks for 14 to land Bufkin

[kobyz]

Miller would have been really nice value at 33, i see him as exactly the same player and prospect as Noah Clowney who went 21

[JPB]

Indiana trading up from 8 (+2 SRPs) to 7
OKC going from 12 to 10 (+ Bertans)
Dallas getting back in the FR with 24 for a traded player exception

That's last night major moves. Why didn't everyone try to trade up like crazy from the second round (or even late FR) to get those gems all over? Because it's really hard and basically impossible unless giving up a haul... It's really hard and only teams one or two picks away in this draft could reach a deal, since that didn't comprise their chances to pick their guy or a guy they liked, which teams will always privilege. Few fans here would have been ready to trade a lottery pick in this draft, unless for a haul.

[spurraider21]

Indiana trading up from 8 (+2 SRPs) to 7
OKC going from 12 to 10 (+ Bertans)
Dallas getting back in the FR with 24 for a traded player exception

That's last night major moves. Why didn't everyone try to trade up like crazy from the second round (or even late FR) to get those gems all over? Because it's really hard and basically impossible unless giving up a haul... It's really hard and only teams one or two picks away in this draft could reach a deal, since that didn't comprise their chances to pick their guy or a guy they liked, which teams will always privilege. Few fans here would have been ready to trade a lottery pick in this draft, unless for a haul.

not every team had the ammunition we did

[cutewizard]

this could be our draymond......

[CGD]

This kid is part of the Kawhi trade tree right?

[spursparker9]

This kid is part of the Kawhi trade tree right?

yes from raptor

[rankingtear]

if the spurs wanted to move into the teens, maybe they buy that pick off sacto and use that 24 pick as ammo to trade up to 15, 16? these all can be mapped out in advance. not saying its easy peasy but man thats what these guys are paid for. we definitely had the necessary ammunition, both in draft capital and cap space

I am sure they wanted Kris.

[rankingtear]

not every team had the ammunition we did

OKC and UTA have more and they did try to trade into 7.

[Mr. Body]

OKC and UTA have more and they did try to trade into 7.

They already had lottery picks to use.

[rankingtear]

Miller would have been really nice value at 33, i see him as exactly the same player and prospect as Noah Clowney who went 21

Both low IQ.

[rascal]

They cheaped out on #33, we know that

The failure to consolidate 33, 44 and a future 1st rounder to get into the 20s was a whiff. There were guys there that are a tier above Cissoko. Wouldn't have cost much at all and they got gunshy.

Scared money tbh

They struck out improving the team outside of the obvious Wemby pick. Anyone on this board could have done as well or better than what the Spurs did on draft night.

Have to give the FO an F in the draft, total failure in acquiring anything of value to upgrade the roster around Wemby.

Now it's on to free agency and/or trades to upgrade the roster. I'm not counting on much in free agency or trades this summer other than maybe another role player backup quality addition.

[rascal]

People are pissed because spurs FO is smarter than them on BB issues. And they don't ask themselves why everyone didn't try to trade up in the 20s if that was so cheap, easy and worth it... They wanted a move, something, anything for players they never heard of 3 months ago and have 3/4 chances of ending as unproductive or random, rotation guys... That's what GMs are paid for, being smart and not impulsive or caught in the moment, see the larger picture. This isn't the last draft in history of humanity or the only way to bring talent in your team, I mean real, proven talent, not zero NBA game teens.

The best trades are the ones you don't make. Trading and lose assets just for the sake of it, or because ST badly wanted it, had no sens, unless it's a guy you REALLY LOVE... Spurs are in a good situation...

Those assets like Charlotte Chi and Toronto FRP's will likely lose value if and when they convey. Their perceived value is most likely higher than what their actual value will be so packaging them to move up made sense.

There is also a cost by doing nothing.