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    Spurs weren't high on anyone in the second round even Cissoko. If they were high on Cissoko they would have picked him at 33. They had to draft someone and he was the best option that fell to 44.
    Let's not pretend it was some genius move and Cissoko was the guy they wanted all along and they knew they could get him at 44.
    Why not? Rupert was taken 43. It could be either one and they nabbed Sidy and managed to get another SRP in the process.

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    i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit

    I dont like that the Hornets took Miller over Scoot because it felt like a fit over BPA pick, but Miller has a pretty high floor as a shooter with his size and good traits on defense. But their follow-up picks of Nick Smith, Nnaji, and Amari Bailey were all solid too. Im not a huge fan of Smith but they got him very late in the first, so hard to hate that. Nnaji is kinda redundant with Mark Williams but that's a of a defensive rotation. We have all loved Bailey as a combo guard type. Not sure how everything plays out here with Ball/Rozier/Smith/Bailey, especially since Rozier is pretty early in his deal. Have to figure he gets moved. But that's a lot of options and they're not putting all their eggs in one player's developmental basket. Them liking guards like Smith and Bailey also somewhat justifies the Miller over Scoot pick.

    Blazers had Scoot fall into their lap, and they probably have to feel good about the Scoot/Sharpe backcourt future. They might still dangle scoot in trades, but imo they should just deal Lillard and rebuild. But after the Scoot pick, they wound up with 2 other good picks in Kris Murray (should be pretty NBA ready like his brother) and then the more developmental Rayan Rupert who was another board favorite. They can take their time with Rupert given the young perimeter guys they already have. Really like the talent accrual here.

    While Amen to Houston was seen as a lock, there was legitimate debate if they should instead take a more NBA ready type guy like Whitmore. Turns out they got both without having to trade. Whitmore fell for a reason, but man, its hard for them to not feel excited about the value at 20. Whitmore is an acceptable shooter, but they really need Amen/Green/Whitmore to make strides in that department for this all to work, but if even 2 of the 3 pan out long term, thats an explosive young core. At the very least, Thompson and Whitmore should be good defenders, which they'll need to cover for Sengun.

    Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.

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    Houston/Detroit/Orlando are gonna make some noise soon. Solid young squads

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    i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit

    I dont like that the Hornets took Miller over Scoot because it felt like a fit over BPA pick, but Miller has a pretty high floor as a shooter with his size and good traits on defense. But their follow-up picks of Nick Smith, Nnaji, and Amari Bailey were all solid too. Im not a huge fan of Smith but they got him very late in the first, so hard to hate that. Nnaji is kinda redundant with Mark Williams but that's a of a defensive rotation. We have all loved Bailey as a combo guard type. Not sure how everything plays out here with Ball/Rozier/Smith/Bailey, especially since Rozier is pretty early in his deal. Have to figure he gets moved. But that's a lot of options and they're not putting all their eggs in one player's developmental basket. Them liking guards like Smith and Bailey also somewhat justifies the Miller over Scoot pick.

    Blazers had Scoot fall into their lap, and they probably have to feel good about the Scoot/Sharpe backcourt future. They might still dangle scoot in trades, but imo they should just deal Lillard and rebuild. But after the Scoot pick, they wound up with 2 other good picks in Kris Murray (should be pretty NBA ready like his brother) and then the more developmental Rayan Rupert who was another board favorite. They can take their time with Rupert given the young perimeter guys they already have. Really like the talent accrual here.

    While Amen to Houston was seen as a lock, there was legitimate debate if they should instead take a more NBA ready type guy like Whitmore. Turns out they got both without having to trade. Whitmore fell for a reason, but man, its hard for them to not feel excited about the value at 20. Whitmore is an acceptable shooter, but they really need Amen/Green/Whitmore to make strides in that department for this all to work, but if even 2 of the 3 pan out long term, thats an explosive young core. At the very least, Thompson and Whitmore should be good defenders, which they'll need to cover for Sengun.

    Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.
    Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

    Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.

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    Houston/Detroit/Orlando are gonna make some noise soon. Solid young squads
    Seems like Houston has too many guards.

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    Houston. Amen will be good for them. Whitmore, less so. They have two lead guards who won't look at other players. Now they have a guy who can't see other players. This team is a mess.

    Dallas. Shrewd work. O-Max and Lively are limited, but are avid defenders who don't need the ball. Exactly what they need.

    Golden State. Podziemski and Jackson-Davis are great pickups for them. Hucked the Poole contract across the continent. Good jobs.

    I don't think Gradey solves the problems Toronto is facing.

    Detroit was in a weird place and the Ausar fit is difficult.

    I feel sorry for Bilal Coulibaly and Kobe Bufkin. Seems like bad places for them to land in WAS and ATL.

    Otherwise, my sense that this was a one player draft has grown even stronger. I'm not sure which teams helped themselves considerably. Only the Spurs, with Indiana and Utah maybe second and third.

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    Houston. Amen will be good for them. Whitmore, less so. They have two lead guards who won't look at other players. Now they have a guy who can't see other players. This team is a mess.

    Dallas. Shrewd work. O-Max and Lively are limited, but are avid defenders who don't need the ball. Exactly what they need.

    Golden State. Podziemski and Jackson-Davis are great pickups for them. Hucked the Poole contract across the continent. Good jobs.

    I don't think Gradey solves the problems Toronto is facing.

    Detroit was in a weird place and the Ausar fit is difficult.

    I feel sorry for Bilal Coulibaly and Kobe Bufkin. Seems like bad places for them to land in WAS and ATL.

    Otherwise, my sense that this was a one player draft has grown even stronger. I'm not sure which teams helped themselves considerably. Only the Spurs, with Indiana and Utah maybe second and third.
    I still don't get that pick. What a dumpster fire. I'm so excited for that first round pick from them.

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    I still don't get that pick. What a dumpster fire. I'm so excited for that first round pick from them.
    From Atlanta? The two picks and the swap, not just one!

    But I meant on a personal basis. Bilal seems like a good kid and he's going to be stuck on a disaster team that's going to win no more than 20 games for the forseeable future. Disaster for him. And Bufkin seems like a smart, attentive player and he's stuck on a whirlwind of a team stuck in mediocrity lead by a me-first chucker who nobody likes.

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    Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

    Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.
    yeah cason will slot in nicely there tbh... he probably will be better served being off-ball for them, at least for now

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    From Atlanta? The two picks and the swap, not just one!

    But I meant on a personal basis. Bilal seems like a good kid and he's going to be stuck on a disaster team that's going to win no more than 20 games for the forseeable future. Disaster for him. And Bufkin seems like a smart, attentive player and he's stuck on a whirlwind of a team stuck in mediocrity lead by a me-first chucker who nobody likes.
    Oh I didn't remember that. All the better.

    There was a graphic last night that one of the NBA teams has been in the lottery like 17 of the last 19 years. What in the actualized ?

    It's really struck me how a team can impact a player's career arc. I feel for these kids that end up with such dumpster-fire organizations.

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    Agreed with all of those but adding OKC. I like Cason Wallace a lot and should fit in pretty damn well in their backcourt rotation. Add Chet and I think they're comfortably a playoff team next season.

    Most importantly, just gotta respect OKC and Dallas' creativity in maneuvering the 1st round. Didn't just sit back and pray that guys fell into their lap, they went after their targets.
    They didn't get a generational talent with the first pick.

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    The Hendricks, Markkanen, Kessler trio has a ton of potential. His 3pt shooting is obviously nice, but my favorite aspect of Hendricks is that he led the ACC in blocked shots while only averaging 2 fouls per game, while playing nearly 35 mpg. That's a smart shot blocker to have next to Kessler.

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    The Hendricks, Markkanen, Kessler trio has a ton of potential. His 3pt shooting is obviously nice, but my favorite aspect of Hendricks is that he led the ACC in blocked shots while only averaging 2 fouls per game, while playing nearly 35 mpg. That's a smart shot blocker to have next to Kessler.
    Kessler/Hendricks as a shotblocking duo... wowza

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    Why not? Rupert was taken 43. It could be either one and they nabbed Sidy and managed to get another SRP in the process.
    If they were high on anyone they would have not traded the 33rd pick they would have drafted the player they were high on there.

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    If they were high on anyone they would have not traded the 33rd pick they would have drafted the player they were high on there.
    But picking a player just for the sake of picking them! Draft picks have no value if you don't use them right away! This is the only draft that will ever have a good player in the second round! Bit other players drafted a bunch of guys! The Spurs have to keep up!

    I'll just stop there.

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    i think the Hornets/Blazers/Rockets/Mavs drafts stood out quite a bit


    Think Dallas was the most shrewd team last night, and really maximized the value of their tank job. We know they wanted defense, and with Hendricks being taken at 9, Lively was the next obvious option for them. Instead of just taking him at 10, they moved back to 2 spots and used that opportunity to dump Bertans for a trade exception, and they took Lively at 12 anyway. They then immediately used that trade exception to basically buy the #24 overall pick (so they swapped out Bertans for Richaun Holmes and got this extra pick instead), with they used on Oliver-Maxence Prosper, one of the better perimeter defenders in the draft. Can't overstate how much they needed guys like Lively and Prosper alongside Luka/Kyrie.

    Agreed on Dallas, but they still have the franchise killer on their team in Kyrie. '23 will be a tumultuous year for them I think. And with Luka wanting to win now it's going to be an interesting sh!t show to watch over there.

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    Seems like Houston has too many guards.
    Not to mention it's a show.

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    Trading up for Bufkin would have been tantamount to instant gratification, but not expending probably 3 quality assets on a guy who's ceiling is probably complementary starter and secondary ball handler is probably the better move long term.

    If the Spurs had take Cissoko at 33 and traded 44 for cash, no one here would have an issue. Funny how that works sometimes.

    Fact is we got the best player, added assets, and added another development prospect, and didn’t negatively impact our flexibility going forward. Firm handshakes all around.
    True, but to practically give away a virtual 1st was shocking and I can't remember a comparable off the top.

    In the end, they either just valued Wesley (and maybe Mamukelashvili and Champagnie, presuming they're close to locks to be on the team) more than the options at 33 who'd have taken a guaranteed roster spot or figured they'd already poured a year of developmental resources into him and the difference between him options available was negligible.
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    Victor's joy when Bilal is selected 7th:


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    I think too many players were over rated by many here and the Spurs seem to agree. Smart to hold on to what you got if nothing is clearly better.

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    But picking a player just for the sake of picking them! Draft picks have no value if you don't use them right away! This is the only draft that will ever have a good player in the second round! Bit other players drafted a bunch of guys! The Spurs have to keep up!

    I'll just stop there.
    What does anything you have to say here have anything to do with what I said.

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    What does anything you have to say here have anything to do with what I said.
    It wasn't a real response to what you said. It was a pretend response because what you said is too logical for many who just want to pick bodies.

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    https://theathletic.com/4635898/2023...aft-takeaways/
    The biggest story on draft night was the slide of Villanova forward Cam Whitmore, the third-rated player on my board, who ended up going 20th to the Houston Rockets. Whitmore was in play as high as the fourth pick with Houston, but in the final days before the draft, more chatter began bubbling up of a potential Whitmore slide.
    Talking to sources around the league, who were granted anonymity so they could speak freely, I noticed two reasons cropping up: One, some teams red-flagged Whitmore’s medicals due to concerns about his knees. Second, his workouts and interviews left teams severely underwhelmed. “Comatose” was the description one source used.
    The really interesting part was what happened once we got beyond the ninth pick, past the portion of teams that would have had Whitmore on their short list for evaluation in the first place and past the portion that would have been able to work him out. In particular, once the Magic passed on him a second time at No. 11, all the teams beneath them had to start wondering: Do they know something we don’t? That’s when the risk aversion really kicked in.
    There is information in a draft slide: Even if you know nothing else about a player, you know the teams who evaluated the player most closely and had the best pre-draft access ended up at, “Thanks, but no thanks.” Sometimes, this is way overblown (perhaps the player was the second choice on everyone’s board). Other times, it becomes apparent in the months and years after the fact why the slide happened.
    In this case, you have to really wonder why nobody in the teens decided the risk was worth the potential reward. To use another comparison, Michael Porter Jr. had the worst medicals I have ever seen in a draft prospect and didn’t exactly blow people away in the interview portion either; he ended up going 14th and more than justified that selection as the third option on a championship team. Whitmore fell to No. 20 even as several players with pretty limited upsides went off the board ahead of him.
    The stretch of picks after Utah at No. 9, including a run on one-dimensional shooting specialists with pick Nos. 11, 12 and 14, two other small guards and whatever Jalen Hood-Schifino is supposed to be. Houston finally took the plunge, which was interesting because the Rockets had all the pre-draft intel and homework on Whitmore from considering him with the fourth pick. Some felt he was Houston’s second choice at that spot; amazingly, he was still sitting there at No. 20. Until further notice, this was the steal of the draft.
    I was super high on Cam Whitmore. Interesting to read why he slid (bad knees and bad at ude in interviews). Still, I would have absolutely taken a chance on him in the teens, I can't believe teams took Jett Howard, Hood-Schifino and Podziemski over him. I wouldn't be at all surprised if once again the Rockets get a better player in the 15-20 range than they did top 5 - 2021: Sengun over Jalen Green, 2022: Tari Eason over Jabari Smith Jr, 2023: Cam Whitmore over Amen Thompson.

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    Seems like Houston has too many guards.
    Houston doesn't have a good roster (mainly a glut of poor IQ guys) but they have A LOT of talent. If they're smart they should use some of their talent overlap to balance the roster and get a few players who're smart and unselfish. They definitely surpassed Detroit in my book.

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    Most of Houston's talent is very expensive, tied to high draft picks, and honestly just flat out stupid in terms of basketball. Even an effective guy like Eason is a lunkhead in knowing what to do. They're going to win games when certain players go off, which may be fairly often, but they're never going to win a playoff series. Can't even imagine them getting close to one.

    Whitmore is almost going to make the situation worse.

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