How do you feel about the NON Wemby part of the draft?!

[Ariel]

Then they could have had another top 33 talent. It doesn't make sense any way you look at it.

The reasoning is probably that adding a third rookie isn't "free", there's a cost of opportunity in that probably they would have had to make a decision quicker on another youngster already on the roster (like Barlow, Champagnie, Bassey, Wesley) and they didn't think higher of the available options than they do about their own talent. So if that's the case, it makes sense. Also, nobody would have complained if they'd taken Cissoko at 33 and sold 44, this way they got an extra 2 seconds and likely a more favorable contract on Cissoko. Again, not what I was expecting, but nothing to make a big deal about.

[Ariel]

the same thing they're going to do with those 2026 and 2028 second round picks they just added to the ledger

Those future 2nds can be traded 5 at a time, in a couple smaller trades you can wipe the slate clean... as long as you don't take too long to do so. I think it's the '24 and '25 2nd rounders that should be used soon, the future ones are currency.

[Ariel]

I choose to believe that the Spurs had a tentative deal with Orlando to trade up to 11 for Cason Wallace. This forced OKC to trade up to 10 for Wallace. Once that happened, the Spurs walked away from the trade.

Since Dallas wasn't a threat to take Wallace, it's pretty clear OKC feared Orlando or a third team would snatch him had they not traded up. However, I've seen no indication that it was the Spurs, so you may believe what you want but it's not any more likely than, say, Toronto moving up, or Atlanta, or whomever.

Also, somebody, maybe the Spurs, was flirting with Indiana for the 7 pick, forcing Washington to trade up one spot for Coulibaly.

I remember hearing something about it yesterday, can't remember which team but it wasn't the Spurs. In any case, they made the trade just to make sure, if Indiana had another real option on the table for #7 it would have cost Washington a of a lot more than 2 future 2nd rounders to move up.

[K...]

Chris paul just got traded. The market for pigs via trade is still open. Not saying It's likely but the best pgs are veterans and free agents:

[Seventyniner]

the same thing they're going to do with those 2026 and 2028 second round picks they just added to the ledger

I think there are several reasons why it is better to have multiple seconds in the future (2026 and beyond) rather than right now.

• Seconds will be a cheap way to fill out the roster once the Spurs start operating over the cap
• Teams in the "multiple second apron offender" category will value seconds far more than they do now and that won't really kick in until 2026 and beyond
• If recent trades are any indication (Josh Richardson, Gary Payton II), several seconds can land you a helpful role player
• Future seconds can be rolled even further into the future
• The flatness of drafts in the second round plus high seconds' usual contract demands for guaranteed money means sometimes it's actually better to have a pick in the 40s than the 30s, especially if you have a roster crunch

[CGD]

Yeah we all love Wemby. But what is going on with PG?! We going into the season with Tre Jones and a bunch of maybes? No legitimate C with upside?? Wtf is going on?!

Seems like they need to look closely at:
- VanVleet (probably would cost $120m/4ys which is Brunson $$)
- Tyus Jones (may cost a FRP + you have to extend him)
- Austin Reaves (not clean PG; need to overpay him but still less than FVV)

Or they can muddle though with what they have, while hopefully not having to overpay Tre Jones. Make this a priority for next year's draft.

[spurraider21]

Seems like they need to look closely at:
- VanVleet (probably would cost $120m/4ys which is Brunson $$)
- Tyus Jones (may cost a FRP + you have to extend him)
- Austin Reaves (not clean PG; need to overpay him but still less than FVV)

Or they can muddle though with what they have, while hopefully not having to overpay Tre Jones. Make this a priority for next year's draft.

between these options i'd probably just re-sign Tre and try to sign Reaves in addition to that

[Ariel]

Tyus Jones is an expiring contract, we can sign him next offseason if we want him. Plus I'm not so sure he'd be ecstatic to kick out / block his little brother, that'd make for some funky family dynamics. Personally I'm not super thrilled with the free agents available, but surely some trade opportunity will arise, if you're patient and diligent something always comes up. We sure have the assets.

[spurraider21]

could also see if miami wants to move off of Fat Lowry this summer. have him as an expiring placeholder if we dont want to make a multiyear commitment to a backup caliber Tre, either in a direct deal with them or as part of a lillard deal

[Obstructed_View]

There are other ways to improve besides the draft when you already have your centerpiece. Seems like a knee jerk thread.

This was guaranteed to be exactly that. Somehow draft night makes guys fall in love with every player available after pick 30.

[CGD]

could also see if miami wants to move off of Fat Lowry this summer. have him as an expiring placeholder if we dont want to make a multiyear commitment to a backup caliber Tre, either in a direct deal with them or as part of a lillard deal

I don't dislike it, but obviously we'd need to be enticed

[Mr. Body]

could also see if miami wants to move off of Fat Lowry this summer. have him as an expiring placeholder if we dont want to make a multiyear commitment to a backup caliber Tre, either in a direct deal with them or as part of a lillard deal

This is the only currently available player that appeals to me, tbh. Miami probably will use him as an expiring to peel off a player that can help them now, however.

no to a huge, long FVV contract.

Austin Reaves is a player who has done well for like one year in a very specific cir stance. I don't want to pay him $20 mil and don't think the team would, either.

[DAF86]

The reasoning is probably that adding a third rookie isn't "free", there's a cost of opportunity in that probably they would have had to make a decision quicker on another youngster already on the roster (like Barlow, Champagnie, Bassey, Wesley) and they didn't think higher of the available options than they do about their own talent. So if that's the case, it makes sense. Also, nobody would have complained if they'd taken Cissoko at 33 and sold 44, this way they got an extra 2 seconds and likely a more favorable contract on Cissoko. Again, not what I was expecting, but nothing to make a big deal about.

I'm not fine with taking a guy with a shooting mental block when there were guys like Colby, Bailey and Rupert still available. If one of those guys turn out to be a solid NBA player, Wright and co. are gonna look really bad.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not fine with taking a guy with a shooting mental block when there were guys like Colby, Bailey and Rupert still available. If one of those guys turn out to be a solid NBA player, Wright and co. are gonna look really bad.

Let us know when that happens.

[JPB]

I think there are several reasons why it is better to have multiple seconds in the future (2026 and beyond) rather than right now.

• Seconds will be a cheap way to fill out the roster once the Spurs start operating over the cap
• Teams in the "multiple second apron offender" category will value seconds far more than they do now and that won't really kick in until 2026 and beyond
• If recent trades are any indication (Josh Richardson, Gary Payton II), several seconds can land you a helpful role player
• Future seconds can be rolled even further into the future
• The flatness of drafts in the second round plus high seconds' usual contract demands for guaranteed money means sometimes it's actually better to have a pick in the 40s than the 30s, especially if you have a roster crunch

Nicely summed up.. NBA GMs see the big picture and always try to see how to optimize any of their choices on all aspects and ramifications of a ball club, on the short and long terms. They're not playing 2K on fan forums, there are elements in their reflexion and decisions that people don't necessraily take into account. I mean, that's why they're paid the big bucks and we're playing virtual GMS on the Internet.

[NASpurs]

You also can't appease Wemby with his dream of winning sooner rather than later and have already a bunch of young prospects on your team and then draft another 3 rookies. I'm not even a PATFO fart sniffer but hopefully all that draft capital and cap space leads to proven talent in the future.

[Ariel]

I'm not fine with taking a guy with a shooting mental block when there were guys like Colby, Bailey and Rupert still available. If one of those guys turn out to be a solid NBA player, Wright and co. are gonna look really bad.

And Cissoko has a shooting mental block as opposed to Rupert who doesn't?
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...--rayan-rupert
Look, Cissoko wasn't the first on my board, but no player was without flaws. Colby Jones and Amarin Bailey were "safer" prospects, Cissoko is a higher variance prospect meaning a wider range of possible outcomes, with lower floor but higher ceiling. He's got tools you can't teach, and it's not impossible for him to learn to shoot and play smarter and more under control. Maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn't, but I don't think he's clearly a lesser prospect than any of those. Maybe he ends up better, maybe he doesn't, but if one of those ends up better while the rest suck it's dishonest to pick the better of the bunch and ignore the others to make a point. This isn't the Primo draft where there was an obvious better option, everyone at that spot were prospects. Plus, it's out there that Rupert's agent called teams telling them NOT to pick him because he already had a long term guaranteed contract set for his client, which ended up being with the Blazers. Maybe the Spurs didn't feel like committing 3/4 guaranteed years to Rupert, and I can't blame them. All in all, it's a reasonable pick, IN CONTEXT.

[sfernald]

Seems like they need to look closely at:
- VanVleet (probably would cost $120m/4ys which is Brunson $$)
- Tyus Jones (may cost a FRP + you have to extend him)
- Austin Reaves (not clean PG; need to overpay him but still less than FVV)

Or they can muddle though with what they have, while hopefully not having to overpay Tre Jones. Make this a priority for next year's draft.

I see a couple other options.

With Amen heading to the Magic, they really have a horde of young point guards. Too many really that can’t shoot, Jalen Suggs may be available for a very reasonable price.

Monte Morris was the starting point guard for the Washington Wizards last year and they are looking to unload him. And we have plenty of seconds which they really seem to love over there!

[DAF86]

Let us know when that happens.

You sure you want that?

[DAF86]

And Cissoko has a shooting mental block as opposed to Rupert who doesn't?
https://tankathon.com/players/compar...--rayan-rupert
Look, Cissoko wasn't the first on my board, but no player was without flaws. Colby Jones and Amarin Bailey were "safer" prospects, Cissoko is a higher variance prospect meaning a wider range of possible outcomes, with lower floor but higher ceiling. He's got tools you can't teach, and it's not impossible for him to learn to shoot and play smarter and more under control. Maybe he gets it, maybe he doesn't, but I don't think he's clearly a lesser prospect than any of those. Maybe he ends up better, maybe he doesn't, but if one of those ends up better while the rest suck it's dishonest to pick the better of the bunch and ignore the others to make a point. This isn't the Primo draft where there was an obvious better option, everyone at that spot were prospects. Plus, it's out there that Rupert's agent called teams telling them NOT to pick him because he already had a long term guaranteed contract set for his client, which ended up being with the Blazers. Maybe the Spurs didn't feel like committing 3/4 guaranteed years to Rupert, and I can't blame them. All in all, it's a reasonable pick, IN CONTEXT.

I'm not talking about a "shooting mental block" becuase of a low %, tbh. He finished his season with the yips, with a completely broken shot. It got to the point where folks were leaving him wide ass open and he would badly airball those looks with all the time in the World.

I actually like Cissoko's game but that shooting mental struggle is a huge concern for me.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Those future 2nds can be traded 5 at a time, in a couple smaller trades you can wipe the slate clean... as long as you don't take too long to do so. I think it's the '24 and '25 2nd rounders that should be used soon, the future ones are currency.

Exactly. Not sure why people in here are so worried about these 2nd round picks becoming worthless. It's a way to cushion a trade so fans of the opposing teams we trade with won't feel like they got taken when the Spurs start making a move or two. And, the Spurs should actively be looking to improve the roster around Wemby now.

[jesterbobman]

It's going to be a multi year process for the Spurs to get back to contending.

I think some of the PG prospects were really interesting (mostly, to me, Black and Wallace as premier perimeter / point of attack defenders) so I could see the case for trying to move up to that range. Black at 6 probably would've needed 3 / 4 firsts to get up there (Toronto / Chicago / Charlotte and a future unprotected / top 4 protected Spurs pick), and I don't think there was a viable path to get up to get Wallace at 10 without a similar package.

With those off the board, I don't think it was worth using up the draft ammo to get a different player, just to get a guy. I don't think there was a big difference in players between about 18 and 44 (Whitmore being the exception, though that's understandable to not move up, given the Spurs didn't have medical info other than knowing teams were passing). I had other guys ranked higher than Sidy at 33 (Max Lewis, Colby Jones) but not a huge difference, and I've been wrong on guys enough. Plus, roster crunch of fringe prospects that we already have.

If in a year in the 2024 draft, the Spurs can get something like Isaiah Collier / Cody Williams with the Raptors pick, and we think that pick and other picks (Chicago first, etc) assets would've been needed to get Bufkin, we'd probably be happy having waited a year.