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    Earlier in the day, Prigozhin said Shoigu lied to Russians and to Putin when he told a “story about the crazy aggression from the Ukrainian side and the plans to attack us with the entire NATO bloc.” In an implied criticism of Putin, he added that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky would have agreed to a deal if the Kremlin had deigned to negotiate.

    -WSJ

    Now Prigohzin claims Russia should have never started with Ukraine…

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    Somehow Ukraine needs to jump this moment it seems.
    Start something big with this internal mess going on.

    Not sure how it should be done?

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    This is developing rapidly and I think Hater is involved (see bolded)

    AP news

    The governor of the Voronezh region, just to the north, told residents that a column of military vehicles was moving along the main highway and advised The governor of the Voronezh region, just to the north, told residents that a column of military vehicles was moving along the main highway and advised them to stay off the road.

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    If Ukraine can't get an upper hand on the battlefield while a coup attempt is going on in Moscow then they'll never be able to. Now is the time for them to go "all in".

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    Notice the lack of spin from the Russian troll farms... that points that this is serious, and also that Putler, FSB, etc don't know yet which side to take.

    If you're Shoigu, I would avoid open windows in tall buildings right now, tbh...

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    This stuff is escalating rapidly

    The Telegraph

    Yevgeny Prigozhin has said that 60 to 70 Russian soldiers have mutinied and joined his coup attempt.
    He also said that his forces have already engaged in skirmishes against Russian soldiers.
    “Fighting takes place in places where the military leadership gives false information to fighters, and therefore skirmishes occur,” he said in an audio message posted on his Telegram channel.
    “Where soldiers meet us, the National Guard and the police, they wave their hands joyfully, and many of them say: ‘We want to go with you.’”
    This could not be independently confirmed.

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    Notice the lack of spin from the Russian troll farms... that points that this is serious, and also that Putler, FSB, etc don't know yet which side to take.

    If you're Shoigu, I would avoid open windows in tall buildings right now, tbh...
    If we start to see soldiers from Russia's regular army defect to Wagner then it's all over.

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    Early in the war Prigozhin engaged Zelensky and offered to give him locations of Russian military formations but Zelensky did not engage and does not trust him. I wonder what Zelensky is thinking now… “bunch of crazy fks”

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    Notice the lack of spin from the Russian troll farms... that points that this is serious, and also that Putler, FSB, etc don't know yet which side to take.

    If you're Shoigu, I would avoid open windows in tall buildings right now, tbh...
    Putin wants Prigozhin stopped based on everything I have read.

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    Putin wants Prigozhin stopped based on everything I have read.
    Of course Putin does. This is not a "good cop, bad cop" act by Prigozhin. This sh*t is real .

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    Of course Putin does. This is not a "good cop, bad cop" act by Prigozhin. This sh*t is real .
    Read El no nos post.
    ”PUTLER does not know which side to take”

    It appears Putin is taking the side of his MoD and it’s generals.

    If Prigozhin survives this we have entered a really huge shift.

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    Rostov citizens have been warned not to congregate in the city’s center.

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    ISW claims Prigozhin’s gambit unlikely to succeed.

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    So far, since this started, it's only been the MOD that made public statements. Also that bald bag has been very specific about leaving out Putler and the FSB on his criticism.

    I wouldn't count on particular allegiances just yet, tbh...

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    Wide ranging halt to activity on the internet in Russia.
    Clearly are afraid this will spread because Putin allowed a plethora of complaints against Russian generals to be aired.
    This greatly aided in the criticism of how the war was not being fought properly and the rise in power of private dissent and recruiting to Wagner.

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    So far, since this started, it's only been the MOD that made public statements. Also that bald bag has been very specific about leaving out Putler and the FSB on his criticism.

    I wouldn't count on particular allegiances just yet, tbh...
    Someone has ordered for the arrest of Prigozhin.
    Someone in the Kremlin.

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    Too tired.

    I just want the zRussians out of Ukraine.
    I have no idea what to hope for in the morning.

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    Word is that Putin has Parkinsons and is indisposed because of it. He has been quiet for 24 hours when a national address makes sense from a propaganda perspective.

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    Guess everyone hates russian helicopters.


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    Sure, roads going south may be problematic but roads going north are ok.




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    Coup boomers doing coup boomer things, nothing to see here.


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    Commie on commie violence...


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