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Feel like it’s unusually quite on the rumors front for this time of year, no? Maybe it was the flurry of pretrade dealings.
If the spurs can upgrade from tre they most definitely will
Feel like it’s unusually quite on the rumors front for this time of year, no? Maybe it was the flurry of pretrade dealings.
Last year was a circus with Kyrie and Durant. No one really cares that much about Damien Lillard or Portland and there aren't any other big names available.
it's going to be pretty tame free agency
You're right, manually adding up the cap holds gives $44.1M. My guess is that they're double-counting Wemby.
Using Spotrac's data, I see:
- 10 players under contract for a total of $79.8M
- $4.3M of dead money for Primo
- $44.1M worth of cap holds (including $12.1M for Wemby)
Langford's cap hold is $16.9M and Dieng's is $2.0M. They will be renounced, bringing the cap holds down to $25.2M, and total team salary to $109.3M for 11 players. This is $26.7M under the cap (actually a bit less due to one roster slot charge? or do cap hold FAs count as full roster spots?).
That's not quite enough to absorb Lowry's $29.7M contract outright but enough to take him in return for Birch. The Spurs could open up more room by renouncing Tre ($5.22M), Mamu ($2.19M), KBD ($2.02M), Barlow ($1.80M), or Champagnie ($1.80M) but imo none of them are worth renouncing for that small amount of cap room, maybe KBD. Renouncing everyone brings cap space up to $40M but severely limits the Spurs' flexibility to fill out the roster.
I had said $14.7M before but that's because I trusted Spotrac's overall cap hold number of $56.3M which is incorrect, meaning I was low by about $12M.
I'm not sure about that, but can't they sign Wemby, after taking on the contract and thus go over the cap? Even if we ship Birch out, that would help the Heat a lot
Wemby's cap hold of $12,158,760 is exactly equal to 120% of the 2023-2024 rookie scale $10,132,300 for the #1 pick. That draft pick cap hold exists exactly to prevent the scenario you are talking about.
Basically Wemby will count $12,158,760 towards the cap no matter when he actually signs the contract.
Source - Donte DiVincenzo to decline option, enter free agency - ESPN
If he is really doing to fully detransition from being a Warrior could be good.
He showed promise last year.
Roster charges are just cap holds to get the contracts/holds number up to 12. Regular holds for free agents do count toward the 12.
An alternative to renouncing Champ or Barlow is signing them to two-way deals. Doing that removes their cap hold, as two-way guys don't count against the salary.
If they're both bringing in Lowry and intending on keeping Jones, they should have Graham go out instead of Birch. That should give them enough salary space.
Paying a team like Houston to take Birch is also an alternative. The team has plenty of seconds to get it done. Unlike SA, Houston doesn't have a lot of seconds and could probably use them for other deals. The new NBA allows for the Spurs to trade Birch for up to twice is salary in returning salary. That's not quite enough to get Val, and the team doesn't have any contract other than Bassey to get the salary over the hump. If they were willing to trade Charles with Khem,though, they could trade for up to $17.24 Million.
Also don't discount the idea of renouncing KBD and or the others to bring them back with the room exception. Bates-Diop in particular is unrestricted, so his hold doesn't mean a ton.
I don't know how I feel about the plan to bring in Lowry and Valanciunas. I don't think the upside of Lowry makes it worth the sacrifice to bring in his salary. Val is fine, just not my first choice. Trading deep-bench centers for him makes him much more tempting, though.
Good stuff. Lowry is only interesting if Miami is giving assets as a salary dump. That he's useful to the Spurs is just a help. I think they'll find something else to do with him though.
Valanciunas will only be traded, I feel, in a deal to get a different kind of center for Pelicans and I don't see that happening. I would be interested in possibly signing him next summer as a FA but that depends on other things. As mentioned, dude is 30 and is looking for one of his last contracts so, despite being a trooper, probably doesn't care to be a backup right now.
the lowry route is appealing to me if the plan is to move off of Tre and let him sign the multiyear deal he wants elsewhere. gives us a competent floor as a player who should fit in well with the cast we have. be a solid bridge PG to allow a proper evaluation of our other guys. its also kinda dependent on whether miami is open do that kind of dump, ie they send over Lowry instead of stretching him, in addition to some compensation (whether it be more SRP's, or maybe something like a future pick swap), and we send back Birch
Last edited by spurraider21; 06-27-2023 at 07:32 PM.
Well as a mentioned, if it's Lowry instead of Jones, then you can remove Jones' hold from the salary. It should be possible between renouncing Jones and KBD and making the other moves I mentioned, to get Lowry to fit in cap space, removing the need to add Birch to the deal. I know it sounds tempting to add him in anyway, but the Spurs would be an over-the-cap team immediately after this trade and would get value out of a mid-sized expiring deal that's being partially paid by insurance. If they are going to make vet-oriented moves in at other positions, they should avoid tossing away those pieces.
we'd have to move Birch if the plan was to acquire Lowry + Jonas, i think
i dont think Valanciunas is the best course of action personally, but he fits the mold of what they seem to want alongside wemby
They could always get a Bamba type with part of their MLE. Plus slim pickings out there (as we’re seeing).
I think Val could be had if the spurs are willing to send out a few small assets. I’m OK with him being a one year rental honestly. He definitely starts over Collins.
I still haven't done the math, but I don't know that the Spurs can get Val with cap space even after the renouncements. If that's true, then they would need matching salary for Val, and Birch would be a huge part of that. Otherwise, we're talking about S&Ting Tre, which feels less certain.
Fyi, looks like the Capulator has finally been updated for the Spurs as of today.
https://www.shamsports.com/capulator
Still would be up to bringing Josh Richardson back. I don't think there's going to be a huge market for him, he's a good dude, knows the team, can handle ballhandling duties and will shoot. Get him on a two year contract if he's up for it.
bobby marks says lillard to spurs
^ no
I've got a friend in Malibu who keeps telling me how good he thinks adding Dame would be. Personally, I'm not in favor of going that route, but hypothetically what would a Package look like?
Graham + Birch + 4 1st's is compe ive with what would probably be Miami's opening bid?
Last edited by mo7888; 06-27-2023 at 08:48 PM.
I think it’ll cost at least both ATL picks, one of the TOR/CHI pick, and a young player. Don’t think Nets or Miami could top that.
Not fan of going for Dame.
Dame doesn’t fit the timeline.
Sounds reasonable as pertaining to pricing..
Trading for a 33 year old PG who will be making 64 million at 36 years old makes zero sense
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