KJ isn’t a good player either so idk what you’re complaining about. KJ can’t create for others, turns the ball over a lot. And defensively he’s a sieve. The KJ love is ridiculous on this board. Im all for hyping Vassell or Sochan, players that have a definite role and position and strengths that add to the team. I’d rather have Austin Reaves on the team for 25 million than KJ at all.
a guy shooting 45% from the field, 32% from 3, can’t create for others, can’t dribble, turns the ball over, is small for his position, and can’t defend worth isn’t worth dying in the hill. But bc Spurstalk loves him, all of a sudden he’s a good player.
But His Contract Is Team Friendly. $20 Million For 0.1 VORP Is A Bargain. Plus He Has So Much Corporate Knowledge. Do You Know How Hard It Is To Score 21 PPG On A 22-60 Team That Force Feeds You The Ball. And He Played Bad Defense On Purpose Because We Were Tanking.
I went back 20 years and couldn't really find an example.
If anything, playing for the Lakers and heading straight into free agency instead of being traded is bad for a players salary.
Both Pau Gasol and Brook Lopez had to take giant paycuts when leaving, only to build back value for the following contract.
Pau took a 60% paycut to sign with Bulls any Brook about 85% paycut going to Milwaukee
i hate the lakers as much as anybody here. growing up in LA as a spurs fan does that to you.
but some of the narratives here are just... wrong
You thought the players were playing bad on purpose? The players were playing bad because they are bad.
This ain't it man. You can argue that even if the Spurs are confident the Lakers match that it'd be a good idea to max Reaves. I can't imagine Reaves is signing for the max LAL can offer, so they need another team's help to get him locked up. It might even be a bit of good will toward LAL and Reaves' agent to facilitate that.
There are multiple ways to make costly mistakes. Many of them don't seem like mistakes until after they're made. Some that seem like mistakes don't end up being so. Carroll was a horrendous mistake, as was Primo. McDermott and Collins weren't. Will Keldon be a mistake? Maybe. He hasn't been a good player, is taking up a fair bit of cap and is seemingly preventing the team from getting an impact wing. Will Wesley be a mistake? People are talking about him being cut (he won't be), and it's very likely that players drafted after him will be better. Will opportunities the Spurs didn't take end up being mistakes? Probably. If Reaves holds up and is just this kind of player, the Spurs might've messed up. If Whitmore puts it together, or any of the folks the Spurs had a chance to trade up for becomes that second superstar. There are lots of ways to mess up. It's good that PATFO seems to have a plan. It doesn't mean that that plan is going to end up being optimal.
Insofar as I contributed to it, I think it was assuming it to be just like the NYK bump. I do think that's a more defensible narrative. Even Randle is an example of it.
I had entirely erased the DeMarre Carroll fiasco from my head until this post.
If I was going to list Spurs mistakes since Kawhi I would have not even remembered to list it
Thanks for ruining that. Thanks a lot
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tbh. It was a great add on to what I said.
I mean, the team has told you what they're doing multiple times. They will not wilfully make long term mistakes. They want to see what works with Wembanyama.
I get that you're in love with Arkansas boy for some reason. I get it. But signing any contract for more than this season, especially to the tune of $25 million, is a mistake, and they recognize it would be a mistake. The other half of the equation -- they don't know what works with big French kid. Signing a relative flash in the pan to a long term contract is definitely a mistake.
Not as long as picking up, say, Damien Lillard or any other $40 million multiple year guy. But something they are not willing to do.
They are not going to sacrifice flexibility moving forward to achieve your dreams of watching the Arkansas dreamboat play for the Spurs. They are not going to commit to any player for more than just taking one year of salary. He's going to be resigned for the Lakers anyway so it's a moot point.
ok. this is a discussion board, not just a proxy for an NBA transaction ticker. in addition to talking about what we think is likely to happen, we also have fun by giving our takes on what might be good/bad ideas. i think basically everyone here who likes Reaves, myself included, have stated outright that its an extremely unlikely scenario to play out.
i dont understand this.I get that you're in love with Arkansas boy for some reason. I get it. But signing any contract for more than this season, especially to the tune of $25 million, is a mistake, and they recognize it would be a mistake. The other half of the equation -- they don't know what works with big French kid. Signing a relative flash in the pan to a long term contract is definitely a mistake.
Not as long as picking up, say, Damien Lillard or any other $40 million multiple year guy. But something they are not willing to do.
They are not going to sacrifice flexibility moving forward to achieve your dreams of watching the Arkansas dreamboat play for the Spurs. They are not going to commit to any player for more than just taking one year of salary. He's going to be resigned for the Lakers anyway so it's a moot point.
i think reaves is a good player. therefore i am in love with the arkansas dreamboat? the numbers say he's a good player, particularly the advanced metrics. he played a big role on a team that made a deep playoff run and held up against very good compe ion. his performance didnt waver when lebron/davis missed time. people saying that a player is good is suddenly this irrational fanboy take?
if i recall correctly, you yourself said you would be willing to pay up to trade up for anthony black. did you then go and mock yourself for falling in love with that arkansas dreamboat and scold yourself for suggesting the spurs may make an aggressive move?
The KJ hate is far more absurd. The idiocy in overly scrutinizing your number 1 option for his performance in a season where tanking was the priority.
Now I don’t think KJ is a number 1 but he’s a good player and will do much better this season now that they aren’t tanking.
When a team deliberately goes out of its way to work against continuity you need to bite your tongue when criticizing efficiency and percentages. Especially when it comes to the guy who was expected to essentially handle the offensive load.
Ideally, the Heat would like to be able to trade Lowry either in a Lillard package, or to a team that can absorb his salary and send Miami back a useful player earning significantly less – a scenario that would lower the Heat’s tax bill. But that second option might be difficult to pull off because a limited number of teams have the cap space to take back a lot more money than they send out. The Heat appreciates Lowry’s contributions during the playoffs and how professionally he handled himself when moved to a bench role.
– via Miami Herald
We're one of the teams that can facilitate that type of deal with Graham's contract. It gets us off of Graham's partial guarantee the following year too.
Would rather keep Good Guy Graham. If Miami wants us to swallow Lowry's 30 million, they can give us a FRP or something else. They don't get a more servicable player out of it. We're going to be totally fine with the PGs we have.
The "Ideally" is doing a lot of work. Of course they'd like to get a better, cheaper player for Lowry. They'll probably need to attach something.
The team I go for says San Antonio Spurs. It doesn’t say KJ ing Johnson. The team didn’t work against KJ. That’s a ridiculous statement. Btw over criticizing your number one player is literally what every fan of every team does. Imagine the whining over that.
What exactly about KJ proves he’s a good player? He’s not efficient. He can’t dribble. He can’t create. He’s highly turnover prone. He isn’t a good finisher. He gets stuck in traffic too often. And he has one year where he shot well from 3 and one year where he didn’t, so we don’t even know which year was the fluke year. And that says nothing about him on defense. Which he is the worst on the team at.
Now your second question, where does Kj fit on the starting line up? Bc from what I see, he doesn’t at all. So that leaves him for the 6th man. Can he do that role effectively? I have no idea. It’s not “hate” to literally list his stats last season, point out his defaults as a player, and then use these things to point out, hey you know what, maybe KJ just doesn’t fit with the Spurs future. I don’t hate KJ. I just want the Spurs to be good again
Keldon Johnson will most likely start. Sochan on the bench, like at Baylor. We've been around in circles on this. Keldon's range and cutting will work better as a starter and he'll punish teams. He'll be more than fine. A third option is where he's going to shine.
I see where you went wrong. You didn’t read what I wrote. I never said the team worked against KJ. I said they worked against continuity specifically because they were tanking.
Your assessment of KJ is shallow and lacking insightfulness. It completely disregards the entire state of the team last year and its motives.
You’re analyzing in a vacuum.
I don't think we do that deal straight up. They'd have to include something that we wanted to sweeten it.
I agree, but the problem is they need to save all their amo (2 FRPs) for the Lillard trade.
It could come down to how the FO feels about Jovic..
this worked great in 2003
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