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    If the Spurs decide their roster is full and they like everyone they have, what is to stop them from renegotiating existing contracts to just give a percentage of extra money to each player?

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    Not just the salary floor, but there's stuff in the new CBA that supposedly makes trading between non-apron teams much easier and more fluid? I haven't read it and only nibbles are coming out because everyone's obsessed with the second apron stuff so far.

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    Is the loss of $5 million in tax revenue really that big of a deal? Especially with the more onerous penalties for being over tax thresholds there will likely be teams that will be desperate at the trade deadline that might be ripe for the picking up of additional draft capital. Could probably even get cash to offset the loss of tax revenue. At this point I think they should make strictly basketball decisions. If they reach the minimum doing that then fine, but not to just add salary for salary sake.
    These teams need to understand that if they have a big contract that they need to offload, the time to be desperate is NOW. After the 'meet the salary floor date', no one will be able to help them, because no one will have any more cap room than the difference between the floor and the cap.

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    If the Spurs decide their roster is full and they like everyone they have, what is to stop them from renegotiating existing contracts to just give a percentage of extra money to each player?
    Can you renegotiate contracts at any time? Or must a player be extension eligible?

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    Can you renegotiate contracts at any time? Or must a player be extension eligible?
    That's the question. Years ago, players held out to renegotiate contracts, but that may be how the team/player option evolved. Seems like a team should be able to decide to give a player more money if the team initiates it.

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    The last CBA allowed a team to increase a player’s salary if it had the cap space to do so, subject to the other rules for structuring contracts.

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    Renegotiating Devonte Graham could be interesting for Spurs

    His current contract is:
    2023/24: $12.1M
    2024/25: $12.65M ($2.85M guaranteed)

    Spurs could offer to him:
    2023/24: $16M
    2024/25: $16M ($0 guaranteed)

    It would allow Spurs to have even more cap space for next summer.
    No, I don’t think you can pull forward salary like that. The main reason for increasing salary used to be as an incentive for a player to sign an extension. It couldn’t be used to create cap space.

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    No, I don’t think you can pull forward salary like that. The main reason for increasing salary used to be as an incentive for a player to sign an extension. It couldn’t be used to create cap space.
    didnt pacers do something like that with myles turner?

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    didnt pacers do something like that with myles turner?
    No. They extended him. It’s just that the first year of the extension was a 40% drop from the year they gave him the big raise, which the CBA allowed.

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    Well, I'm far from sure it's legal so you may be right.

    My understanding of renegotiation is that the amount of guaranteed money doesn't matter. What matters is the base salary that is, in this case, raising from $25M/2years to $32M/2 years.
    Where they can really make a big difference is with Collins. If they expect to re-sign him negotiate it now. If it’s similar to Reid, 3/42; don’t pick up his 3rd year and give him 4/50 which is the same money. Front end load it and go 19, 11.5, 10.5, 9. Uses up cap space now and frees it up later. Uses 12 million now that gets freed up later. Better than just paying KBD 30 million.

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    Renegotiating Devonte Graham could be interesting for Spurs

    His current contract is:
    2023/24: $12.1M
    2024/25: $12.65M ($2.85M guaranteed)

    Spurs could offer to him:
    2023/24: $16M
    2024/25: $16M ($0 guaranteed)

    It would allow Spurs to have even more cap space for next summer.
    How does increasing his salary increase our cap space?

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    How does increasing his salary increase our cap space?
    Because his partial guarantee of $2.85M is reduced to 0 next summer.

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    Renegotiating Devonte Graham could be interesting for Spurs

    His current contract is:
    2023/24: $12.1M
    2024/25: $12.65M ($2.85M guaranteed)

    Spurs could offer to him:
    2023/24: $16M
    2024/25: $16M ($0 guaranteed)

    It would allow Spurs to have even more cap space for next summer.
    Not sure if that makes it easier or tougher to move him, a tax team probably prefers his current contract.

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    Where they can really make a big difference is with Collins. If they expect to re-sign him negotiate it now. If it’s similar to Reid, 3/42; don’t pick up his 3rd year and give him 4/50 which is the same money. Front end load it and go 19, 11.5, 10.5, 9. Uses up cap space now and frees it up later. Uses 12 million now that gets freed up later. Better than just paying KBD 30 million.
    Yeah, definitely. I'm also coming around to the idea of re-signing Tre for more money that he should get, as long as it's front loaded then overpaying year 1 is just fine, that money is gone regardless. It's in years 2 and (especially) 3 and beyond that those contracts should be watched.

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    So the Spurs can't renegotiate with Graham until 2024-2025, so the discussion is moot. But I don't see anything in the CBA FAQ suggesting a team and a player can't agree to alter guaranteed money outside of a buyout situation. I didn't know that, actually.

    In general, it doesn't look like there's anyone else on the team who could get renegotiated. Murray could've been had he been with the Spurs still. Maybe White as well later in the year? Oh well.

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    Not sure if that makes it easier or tougher to move him, a tax team probably prefers his current contract.
    Tax team on the deadline might prefer the renegotiated deal as I think it might actually be less money.

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    Bunch of overpaid stiffs and billionaire owners.

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    Tax team on the deadline might prefer the renegotiated deal as I think it might actually be less money.
    Not necessarily, the jump from 12M to 16M this year might be more harmful for a receiving team than taking on a measly 2.5M next year, depending on how bad the team over the tax threshold.

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    Not necessarily, the jump from 12M to 16M this year might be more harmful for a receiving team than taking on a measly 2.5M next year, depending on how bad the team over the tax threshold.
    You're right I was considering the 2.85 in the tax calc but DUH its next year so its moot in the tax calc for this year.

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    So the Spurs can't renegotiate with Graham until 2024-2025, so the discussion is moot.
    Yeah, my bad. All I was saying was BS, Graham contract can't be renegotiated before August 2024. Thanks.

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    Short term deals should be the goal I think. Put some vets around this young roster and this team could make some noise. Reward those contracts with new deals if the Spurs overachieve.

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    Short term deals should be the goal I think. Put some vets around this young roster and this team could make some noise. Reward those contracts with new deals if the Spurs overachieve.
    Yuṕ. '25 free agency should be the goal, if the young guys develop as expected, there will be A LOT of interest in joining the Spurs.

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    Short term deals should be the goal I think. Put some vets around this young roster and this team could make some noise. Reward those contracts with new deals if the Spurs overachieve.

    yea, just add some vets and help the bench depth

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