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    Almost as funny as the spurs taking Primo 12th in the lottery.
    Ouch....

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    Pacers are still paying Nik Stauskas $700,000 a year.

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    Duarte got hurt and never got his shot back. Word is they're clearing salary for Kuzma. They just drafted a ton of guards, too.

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    Steve Balmer's worth something like $90 billion. His stock and real estate portfolio goes up or down more on one mildly volatile day than the entire Clipper yearly payroll, so I think he's not sweating anything on that front. From purely a basketball stance, the idea of pairing two wings like Kawhi and PG was a pretty good idea in terms of team building, but it just didn't work out. It reminds me of Orlando's plan about 20 years ago to pair Grant Hill with a young Tracy McGrady-- also a great concept that just never took off, again due to injuries.

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    Steve Balmer's worth something like $90 billion. His stock and real estate portfolio goes up or down more on one mildly volatile day than the entire Clipper yearly payroll, so I think he's not sweating anything on that front.
    I think this is why the rest of the owners wanted the second apron. Ballmer might start paying attention to his team's payroll when it costs him more than just money. I don't think the Clippers getting Harden would even be possible if all the second apron restrictions were already in effect.

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    I think this is why the rest of the owners wanted the second apron. Ballmer might start paying attention to his team's payroll when it costs him more than just money. I don't think the Clippers getting Harden would even be possible if all the second apron restrictions were already in effect.
    Not just Balmer. Lacob has shown no interest or ability to self regulate his payroll.

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    The Nets are trading Joe Harris to Detroit, sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

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    Steve Balmer's worth something like $90 billion. His stock and real estate portfolio goes up or down more on one mildly volatile day than the entire Clipper yearly payroll, so I think he's not sweating anything on that front. From purely a basketball stance, the idea of pairing two wings like Kawhi and PG was a pretty good idea in terms of team building, but it just didn't work out. It reminds me of Orlando's plan about 20 years ago to pair Grant Hill with a young Tracy McGrady-- also a great concept that just never took off, again due to injuries.
    He sure isn't sweating although worth and money on the bank are two different things.

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    Nets setting a market for absorbing twenty million dollars... two seconds.

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    Another example of how SA's cap space doesn't have the leverage that some assumed it would. It's an interesting sign that the Spurs didn't sell their space in this deal. They really do seem to have a plan for it...

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    Another example of how SA's cap space doesn't have the leverage that some assumed it would. It's an interesting sign that the Spurs didn't sell their space in this deal. They really do seem to have a plan for it...
    Because there are no other deals available? This was the only one?

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    Yeah well cap space is cheap. Also, 2nd round picks are a valid NBA currency not only for minor trades.

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    If the Spurs are looking to rent out their cap space, which I think they are doing, they're most likely waiting around to see what happens with the Harden-Kyrie-Lillard-otherbabies chaos.

    They've been pretty close to the Heat lately, including the favor of absorbing Noah Vonleh's contract in exchange for a SRP.

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    If the Spurs are looking to rent out their cap space, which I think they are doing, they're most likely waiting around to see what happens with the Harden-Kyrie-Lillard-otherbabies chaos.

    They've been pretty close to the Heat lately, including the favor of absorbing Noah Vonleh's contract in exchange for a SRP.
    Celtics

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    Alright, Dedmon.

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    Yeah, the days of getting a first round draft pick for cap space are over. Too many billionaire owners, too many firsts already traded away from contenders, too many teams with more cap room than they can spend in this weak FA market.

    It's starting to look like the options for reaching the floor are:

    1) Wait around for a few second round picks in a salary dump.
    2) Re-sign the end of your bench for higher than their market value.
    3) Go out and overpay a starter (Cam Johnson, Brook Lopez, Austin Reaves, etc.)
    4) Give a role player an inflated one-year deal
    5) Trade for a player on a team looking to lower their tax bill.

    Of those, I think 4 is probably the best option. The Spurs get to pick the player in that scenario and have more control over the specifics of the contract.

    The Spurs could wait around for 1 or 5 but even in the best case scenarios, I'm not even sure it's that much better than option No. 4. The Spurs have so many second rounders, getting two or three more doesn't really sound worth the effort.

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    Because there are no other deals available? This was the only one?
    This deal would've put the Spurs over the cap, which is a good place to be going into a new season. This wasn't the only one, but it might be the last one that has that benefit until next summer.

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    This deal would've put the Spurs over the cap, which is a good place to be going into a new season. This wasn't the only one, but it might be the last one that has that benefit until next summer.
    The Spurs just opened enough for Kyle Lowry's salary. If they picked up Mamu, they wouldn't have enough... although the Sidy guarantee I think wrecks that unless they do a Khem swap.

    There's still a lot going on league-wide. We're going to be paralyzed for a while just like we were last summer as Durant dithered around. This summer there's Harden, George, Zach Lavine, all spinning around, not to mention Kyrie and Lillard. The Nets signaled they're bowing out with the Joe Harris trade. The Spurs might simply be waiting around to be 'very helpful' to these desperate squads.

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    Another example of how SA's cap space doesn't have the leverage that some assumed it would. It's an interesting sign that the Spurs didn't sell their space in this deal. They really do seem to have a plan for it...
    I hope so man. The Harris deal is the exact type of deal I'm hoping to see them make this summer. Seems like a missed opportunity, unless, like you say, they have a plan in place.

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    The Spurs just opened enough for Kyle Lowry's salary. If they picked up Mamu, they wouldn't have enough... although the Sidy guarantee I think wrecks that unless they do a Khem swap.

    There's still a lot going on league-wide. We're going to be paralyzed for a while just like we were last summer as Durant dithered around. This summer there's Harden, George, Zach Lavine, all spinning around, not to mention Kyrie and Lillard. The Nets signaled they're bowing out with the Joe Harris trade. The Spurs might simply be waiting around to be 'very helpful' to these desperate squads.
    The Spurs might be helpful, but they better like the player and not just be hoping for picks.

    Also I'd've far preferred a Harris trade and having exceptions to a Lowry trade and only having the RE.

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    The Spurs might be helpful, but they better like the player and not just be hoping for picks.

    Also I'd've far preferred a Harris trade and having exceptions to a Lowry trade and only having the RE.
    I don't think they'd take Lowry just by himself, not least of which Miami wants to get rid of his salary.

    I figure the Spurs and Nets have at least some contact and might have touched base on a Joe Harris dump. You'd think his floor spacing would appeal, although they already have McDermott. Might suggest the Spurs have something else in mind.

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    I don't think they'd take Lowry just by himself, not least of which Miami wants to get rid of his salary.

    I figure the Spurs and Nets have at least some contact and might have touched base on a Joe Harris dump. You'd think his floor spacing would appeal, although they already have McDermott. Might suggest the Spurs have something else in mind.
    Yep. The trade, even for just seconds, would've made a lot of sense for the Spurs unless they have something more specific in mind. Could just be a later Patty Mills trade. They could have a key role in Harden or Lillard being moved. I do think they know exactly what they intend to do though.

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    Lowry ($30M salary) would put Spurs way above the salary floor (if they re-sign Tre). It will cost Spurs something like $20M more than taking, for example, an injured Oladipo ($10M salary). It will also take away some trade flexibily for the 2023-2024 season.

    I'm not sure 1 year of Lowry, who might not be interested in playing for a rebuilding team, is worth $20M and some trade flexibility.

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    ^ I agree, would much rather do what Detroit did with Joe Harris.

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