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    no they won't. Next years FA class is weak too. Secondly Vassell's extension should kick in then (if he gets extended) which basically offsets Birch, Graham and Osman coming off the books.
    Spurs might sign Vassel next summer to a new contract after having used their cap space. Even if he signs this summer a $100M+ extension, Spurs will still have something like $60M in cap space next summer.

    I haven't looked at the 2024 FA class, maybe you're right it's a weak class.

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    The FO in ultra conservative mode.

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    Not a fan of Stevens getting included unless the Spurs actually wanted him. He wasn't necessary, and it takes them out of using the RE for this trade. But they can still create whatever space they want by trading Birch. We'll see.

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    Going for it and playing sub .500 ball, which is a possibility, are two different worlds.

    And Romeo when healthy is a far superior player but I'll grant you his health is problematic.
    Neither Romeo nor Osman make any difference in team win totals.

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    Spurs are looking at this one as salary filler and now they're hoping to get a proven contributing vet on a short-term deal. (My hope anyway, because if this is it, their FA period work earns a D, and they only get above an F because I like Trey.)

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    What's the conversion rate of 20 2nd rounders? How many Schrute bucks is that?
    God bless you and your reference.

    Not sure about Schrute bucks, but it’s seems today to be four SRPs to dump sizable salaries like Devonte Graham. So load up!

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    Lamar Stevens is well liked by Cavs fans. A junkyard dog, intense compe or type, good defender but not on the other end.

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    The FO in ultra conservative mode.
    What would you have them do exactly? It’s a ty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…

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    Spurs are looking at this one as salary filler and now they're hoping to get a proven contributing vet on a short-term deal. (My hope anyway, because if this is it, their FA period work earns a D, and they only get above an F because I like Trey.)
    Which FA you think Spurs missed on, considering the deals they got?

    There wasn't a single realistic target on FA market.

    Reaves, McDaniels and Brook would be good additions, they haven't signed yet.

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    What would you have them do exactly? It’s a ty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…
    Ya. Only things I would prefer are signing someone like McDaniels that’s at least a little interesting and/or sign a legit better player that’s more expensive with goal of flipping later. Both better options imo.

    If Sa waives these guys I like deal more.

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    Neither Romeo nor Osman make any difference in team win totals.
    Perhaps not, although thsts not what Im arguing. I'm arguing that a Brook Lopez would. I'm also arguing that merely showing youre making an offer for AR would show not only the fan base but your players (one in particular) that you're going to start ramping up the talent moving forward.

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    What would you have them do exactly? It’s a ty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…
    If they aren't worried about cap room to sign anyone then at least making the Lakers swallow a poison pill to keep Reaves is good strategy, especially when Fakers tampered with nephew and will be competing with the Spurs in free agency in 2025.

    But the nicest front office in the league appears to be bent on securing that mythical nice guy trophy for yet another year.

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    Which FA you think Spurs missed on, considering the deals they got?

    There wasn't a single realistic target on FA market.

    Reaves, McDaniels and Brook would be good additions, they haven't signed yet.

    True but there's not been a single media source I can find that we've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. Or that we offered Brook. Or McDaniels for that matter. But there was chatter yesterday about us being part of a 3 team trade with Cedi and a 2nd being the loot. And it happened. So I'm guessing it would have leaked if we were extending offers

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    Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?

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    Not a fan of Stevens getting included unless the Spurs actually wanted him. He wasn't necessary, and it takes them out of using the RE for this trade. But they can still create whatever space they want by trading Birch. We'll see.
    You're selling this deal short Chinook. You're forgetting the 2030 2nd round pick. If you d been reading the board it was another brilliant move by BWright

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    True but there's not been a single media source I can find that we've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. Or that we offered Brook. Or McDaniels for that matter. But there was chatter yesterday about us being part of a 3 team trade with Cedi and a 2nd being the loot. And it happened. So I'm guessing it would have leaked if we were extending offers
    Well, Spurs are usually good at preventing any leaks, I don't see any reason to panic.
    Imo, Reaves or McDaniels would be good additions, but unless we can add an actual star, nothing really matters that much this offseason. It's just about if Wemby and other young guys can live up to the hype.

    Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?
    They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.

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    They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.
    so 100/4 is the max any team can offer him? And Lakers have that in cap space to not reach the second apron?

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    Well, Spurs are usually good at preventing any leaks, I don't see any reason to panic.
    Imo, Reaves or McDaniels would be good additions, but unless we can add an actual star, nothing really matters that much this offseason. It's just about if Wemby and other young guys can live up to the hype.



    They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.
    Yeah I wasn't expecting any leak to come from the Spurs end at all. But agents, players, friends, associates, and other front offices are quite porous just like how we found out about this Cedi trade yesterday before it happened.

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    lol @ people thinking they were going for it this year. You guys don’t pay attention at all.
    What a disingenuous way to frame people’s thoughts here

    There is a massive middle ground between “let’s try to win the le this year” and “ it let’s just make no moves at all and spend money on guys we won’t even use for the sake of hitting the cap floor”.

    I don’t think anyone paying attention would expect to see the Spurs completely shake up their roster. No . But when the FO said “we want to see what we have” I think most people didn’t take that as “we will literally roll into next year with the exact squad”. Is bringing in one meaningful rotational vet like Lopez going to prevent them from evaluating the roster?

    It’s still early in FA so we’ll see how it plays out but it’ll be pretty frustrating if they really do just burn money on no one meaningful just to end up reaching the floor.

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    The Cavs just guaranteed the contract of Osman a couple of days ago, only to unload him while sending out a draft pick to do so. This board would be going bananas had the Spurs front office done that, regardless of how many 2nd round picks we have in our pockets.

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    Yeah I wasn't expecting any leak to come from the Spurs end at all. But agents, players, friends, associates, and other front offices are quite porous just like how we found out about this Cedi trade yesterday before it happened.
    but that involved 2 other teams so the likelihood of it getting leaked was high. Plus those teams are not so secretive as the spurs. When you’re dealing with the spurs and a players camp only, there’s a good chance you can keep that quite.

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    Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?
    They won’t match anything above 100M

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    What would you have them do exactly? It’s a ty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…
    Why save cap space for years if you never intend to use it because salaries are too high. The Spurs should have made a strong move on draft day to get a young PG but they have already decided to just run back the same team with the addition of Wemby.
    Last edited by rascal; 07-01-2023 at 10:47 AM.

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    so 100/4 is the max any team can offer him? And Lakers have that in cap space to not reach the second apron?
    Yeah, others can offer 100/4, Lakers can match it, but Reaves can't get more than 51/4 from the Lakers themselves. So it's in his best interest for another team to force the Lakers to match an offer higher than 51/4.

    Don't really know about their cap space after all these FA deals.

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    The Cavs just guaranteed the contract of Osman a couple of days ago, only to unload him while sending out a draft pick to do so. This board would be going bananas had the Spurs front office done that, regardless of how many 2nd round picks we have in our pockets.
    They were probably asked to do so, so that when we took him it impacted our salary floor whether he's waived or not

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