Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

[DPG21920]

Micic doesn't fit there at all. They're a lopsided team with a lot to figure out and they haven't done so whatsoever, although Chet will help a good deal. They were trying to run four guards and a PF most of last year. That's not going to cut it.

Doesn’t matter. I’m talking overall assets management and talent.

[Mr. Body]

Again I don’t understand why some of you are acting like the only options are either stand pat and add no one remotely meaningful or throw hundreds of millions around and completely shake up the roster.

Getting someone like Lopez or Reaves and then rolling with your existing squad seems…very reasonable? I wasn’t expecting them to ship off Keldon or completely change up the team with multiple big signings but there’s a clear middle ground here. And no, Cedi Osman is not a middle ground

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're ing and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn’t matter. I’m talking overall assets management and talent.

They were gifted SGA, who is their only really excellent player. Williams, Giddey, and Holmgren will look very nice. Presti still looks allergic to putting the pieces together around them and still feels like he enjoys the draft and offseason the most.

That said, they were near .500 last year, should be better this year, and will be a main rival going forward. But Presti has been incredibly lucky to get the Kawhi Leonard special.

[Obstructed_View]

No source. But it’s like Timvp said, we have just enough cap space to offer Reaves the contract at 25 per.

also, what would our cap situation look like if we got Dame? I’m not even sure who we would have to give up to make the contract work. KJ, McBuckets and 4 first rounders? Do we have any cap space after this trade?

Roster would look pretty sweet.
Dame, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins
fill out the bench a little maybe and that could be a le team. I mean what team besides Denver do we not match up with?

Until its time for Wemby to sign a new contract and the Spurs are on the hook for 60 million for a guy who isn't playing or who is screaming for a trade.

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Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're ing and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

Come on Mr Body. I think everyone I've seen discussing this is merely saying, MAKE THE OFFER. Make the Lakers match. Especially given their shenanigans with neph. We're they another team, maybe you don't do that. The Spurs are the only team that can really raise his price such that it impacts their cap significantly in years 3 and 4.

And yes the Spurs said they eree going to see what they had with their core around Wemby, but please highlight for me where that EXCLUDES adding to it with a Lopez or Plumlee or Russ (off the Bench) or Thybulle or McDaniels or etc.

Come on man you're being obtuse. You're better than that.

[DPG21920]

They were gifted SGA, who is their only really excellent player. Williams, Giddey, and Holmgren will look very nice. Presti still looks allergic to putting the pieces together around them and still feels like he enjoys the draft and offseason the most.

That said, they were near .500 last year, should be better this year, and will be a main rival going forward. But Presti has been incredibly lucky to get the Kawhi Leonard special.

That’s one deal. They’ve made any more and stockpiled all kinds of picks and talent and they never stop trying for more. They can do a lot moving forward asset wise and we’re a play in team already.

I’ve been vocal about LOVING what Sa has done last 2-3 years. I’m not knocking them; I’m saying there’s room for more and being even sharper.

Avoiding mistakes is biggest deal so Sa has been perfect there. But they leave meat on the bone too sometimes compared to the best of the best.

[SpursFan86]

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're ing and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

Way to continue to prove my point. The Spurs said that they “want to see what they have” and “avoid costly mistakes”. Why does that have to mean not doing anything at all? I wasn’t even specifically saying they need to get one of those two guys; they were just examples. Plenty of other names out there that could’ve helped the team incrementally improve without completely shaking things up.

There’s still time in FA. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s not unreasonable to expect and hope for the team to add 1 or 2 moderately impactful players to a 22-win team after landing Victor.

[Joseph Kony]

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're ing and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

man, stfu. who are you to dictate conversation here? like fapping to your Kyle Lowry fantasy scenario isnt stupid as too

[Phenomanul]

Since people are listing their pipe dreams… Get coach Bud back and lure Giannis to the Spurs… Wemby, Giannis and Dame. Enough to win 2.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

This is almost exactly what the spurs should be doing. I would have preferred Duncan Robinson and a 1st though.

[Mr. Body]

Way to continue to prove my point. The Spurs said that they “want to see what they have” and “avoid costly mistakes”. Why does that have to mean not doing anything at all? I wasn’t even specifically saying they need to get one of those two guys; they were just examples. Plenty of other names out there that could’ve helped the team incrementally improve without completely shaking things up.

There’s still time in FA. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s not unreasonable to expect and hope for the team to add 1 or 2 moderately impactful players to a 22-win team after landing Victor.

The team was likely only to take on one year contracts. That's it. The team is the team right now. At this point I'm not even sure they want to go after a Plumlee.

If you completely misunderstood what they said, then it's on you.

[Seventyniner]

WHAT YOU SAY!?!?

SOMEBODY SET UP US THE WOJBOMB

[JPB]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.

I don't believe in that. They know Vic is all about winning and last year was really exceptional for the spurs and a chance at Wemby. That's not in spurs DNA and I don't see Pop going for a second year of tanking, even semi-tanking, which is actually not that simple to do and require throwing the last 15-20 games or so to get in the top 6, with 4 or 5 teams tanking all year long... Spurs have a lot of FRPs already and can eventually try to trade up next year if they see somebody they like, with all the uncertainty it implies... I believe spurs are more focused on proven talent now and try to find a second star the next couple of years via trades or FA.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs still have juuust enough to offer Reaves his max. If that was factored into this trade, I like it a lot more.

No QO for Mamu makes sense in this context. The Spurs did seem to have at least one big FA signing in mind whether it was FVV, Jakob or Reaves. If those don't happen, hit det salary floor and look for opportunities during the season.

[Extra Stout]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.

Yes, this is what they are doing. They told us this is what they are doing. That’s what “we want to find out what we have” and “let’s see what works” and “be patient” and “don’t skip any steps” mean. The whole season is about getting Victor acclimated and seeing which existing players on the roster fit with him. There will be lots of experimental lineups. Young guys will get minutes to see what they can do. They’re not going to go out of their way to be uncompe ive, but maximizing the win total is NOT the objective. And yes, they do have their eyes on the 2024 draft and the potential for TWO lottery picks.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since people are listing their pipe dreams… Get coach Bud back and lure Giannis to the Spurs… Wemby, Giannis and Dame. Enough to win 2.

More doable: get Dame, use one of the 3 picks next year on Bronny so Sr comes of his own accord. Wemby, LBJ, Dame, Sochan and Vassel would be pretty okay.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It is one thing to avoid "big mistakes" and another sitting pat and creating the situation for mistakes to be made The whole "Process" thing is overrated.

The Spurs must work towards maximizing Victor's abilities and star power. And they need to build organically - which means not giving up their core players who are earmarked for success. But they needn't just take an overly conservative approach and not utilize the strengths of the FA market. Only success breeds more success. They can still redeem greater value by prising out Reeves if possible or signing DiVincenzo and trying to reach the play-in this season. Dame Lillard, though is a pipedream and carries a much higher long term risk than middle term reward.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, this is what they are doing. They told us this is what they are doing. That’s what “we want to find out what we have” and “let’s see what works” and “be patient” and “don’t skip any steps” mean. The whole season is about getting Victor acclimated and seeing which existing players on the roster fit with him. There will be lots of experimental lineups. Young guys will get minutes to see what they can do. They’re not going to go out of their way to be uncompe ive, but maximizing the win total is NOT the objective. And yes, they do have their eyes on the 2024 draft and the potential for TWO lottery picks.

Added that they don't just know how the current players work with Wembanyama...

They don't know what types of player work around him. Not meaning 'SG' or 'SF' but where they can maximize how he likes to use the floor, where attacks and defenses should be.

Adding longterm players wily-nily this offseason is the opposite of what they should do.

[Mr. Body]

It is one thing to avoid "big mistakes" and another sitting pat and creating the situation for mistakes to be made The whole "Process" thing is overrated.

The Spurs must work towards maximizing Victor's abilities and star power. And they need to build organically - which means not giving up their core players who are earmarked for success. But they needn't just take an overly conservative approach and not utilize the strengths of the FA market. Only success breeds more success. They can still redeem greater value by prising out Reeves if possible or signing DiVincenzo and trying to reach the play-in this season. Dame Lillard, though is a pipedream and carries a much higher long term risk than middle term reward.

1. Reaves isn't leaving the Lakers. You guys need to give up this weird fantasy where they can get him.

2. Adding a player like Reaves doesn't make any sense. You're just jamming another player onto the figuring-out process, and one that's already attached to a fairly nasty contract if he doesn't work.

[slick'81]

We have sidey and cedi

[Obstructed_View]

Adding longterm players willy nilly is one thing, but exploring the first time a top-tier free agent expresses interest in the Spurs seems the least they can do.

[Mal]

That`s a stupid trade for Spurs, right ? Right ?!

[Spursfanfromafar]

1. Reaves isn't leaving the Lakers. You guys need to give up this weird fantasy where they can get him.

2. Adding a player like Reaves doesn't make any sense. You're just jamming another player onto the figuring-out process, and one that's already attached to a fairly nasty contract if he doesn't work.

You act as if you are Woj. Yes, the chances are that the Lakers will match a back loaded Reaves contract but it is also highly risky financially for them and so trying to call their bluff when you can shouldn't be ruled out.

There is no guarantee that the picks coming in the future years will have sufficient talent to ensure that Victor's good years are compe ive enough. Not utilising the FA market when you have some compe ive advantages is hamstringing yourself with just one path - and a path that is not laden with sureties as the Sixers experience shows.

The Nuggets path is the one that the Spurs should try to emulate (the Nuggets themselves went the old Spurs way). Jokic played with a couple of good veterans like Millsap, Barton etc and the champs today became so because of consistently pushing towards playoff runs. Not by tanking and hoarding picks alone.

[scott]

If the Spurs simply immediately waived Cedi and Stevens, they still count against the salary floor this season, right?

This move doesn’t appear to have hampered our ability to do any of the moves we could have done prior to this move… so what’s all the hand wringing about? They can still go after anyone they might have before this move, but at the very least if nothing else materializes they’ve gotten close enough to the floor where they can easily meet it with one more addition and some front-loading of Tre and Champ deals.

At least from what I’ve seen online, we can still easily create all the room we needed for someone like Dame if we went that route (not suggesting we do, but we could if we wanted).

[scott]

Also worth noting… in addition to being interested in Cedi in 2022, I saw another old tweet that the Spurs were interested in him way back in 2017. I wonder if Cedi has been a long term fascination of PATFO that they’ve finally been able to add for free, basically.