Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

[spursparker9]

[Vince Carter's ankle]

We had no SF on this roster outside of Keldon, who is a tweener, until Cedi and Champagnie came on. Osman is going to play next year.

Grant Williams is well known because he's a Celtic. He's a 'big name' because he was overhyped by their fanbase and broadcasters.

Vassell, McDermott, Cissoko and Sochan

[Mr. Body]

Vassell, McDermott, Cissoko and Sochan

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.

[Mnky]

I've seen a couple ppl make this argument and it may or may not bear out when the 2nd apron comes into effect. My guess is more of those roster spots are filled by UDFA than 2nd rounders given there are only so many 2nd round picks.

So if it doesn't pan out, the Spurs basically have a stockpile of filler for trading up at best and a burden to get rid of multiple picks to avoid overwhelming our Austin and SA rosters at worst.

They can kick it down the road for two more like they did this year. As much as people like to believe, there isn't a huge disparity in those last 30 players, as the spurs showed this year. The guy you get at 55 is just as likely to be a hit as 35.

They're useful assets that don't hurt you in anyway. If Wemby ends up being "the guy" they'll also help the spurs stay compe ive when they have a roster of max contracts around him. So it works for the Wemby timeline as well in addition to being a valuable commodity to teams in salary clamps and roster limitations.

It's never a burden to have good assets. If the assets turn into better players than you currently have at the bottom of the roster and in Austin, that's also a win. It doesn't hurt to improve.

I feel like people just don't like patience and investment as a strategy, and feel anything outside of signing a max contract will upset them.

But to your "at best" comment, at best you create valuable cap and roster flexibility for your le run during Wemby time. That's a worthy investment.

[timvp]

Okc is killing it. Just relentless attention to detail and maximum asset management. sA has done well but I want them to be killers like okc and gs etc

Margins.

I was with you until here (though I'm not interested in Grant Williams at $50 million). OKC just did a similar deal to this but it was for the corpse of Oladipo. I'd rather get a potentially rosterable player on a cheaper contract and a second from a bad organization than that move, tbh.

OKC in the draft absorbed Bertans' terrible contract to move up two spots in the draft. That doesn't sound like assassin level asset management, IMO.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.

what's the difference between sg and sf in modern league?

[Ariel]

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.

I think Cissoko will end up as a SF, at least on defense. I don't think he can keep up with the quicker guards, but on the other hand he's very strong, so he'd do better there.

[Mr. Body]

what's the difference between sg and sf in modern league?

Point i was trying to make is that Osman and Champagnie are in the mold of the old SF definition.

[Mr. Body]

I was with you until here (though I'm not interested in Grant Williams at $50 million). OKC just did a similar deal to this but it was for the corpse of Oladipo. I'd rather get a potentially rosterable player on a cheaper contract and a second from a bad organization than that move, tbh.

OKC in the draft absorbed Bertans' terrible contract to move up two spots in the draft. That doesn't sound like assassin level asset management, IMO.

Presti does extremely well with his top 10 picks, and Jalen Willams was a steal. He's done well picking up guys like Isaiah Joe and Dort. If you look at his draft history otherwise, it's littered with mistakes, guys like Brandon Clarke he traded away. Building a team is yet another matter. This is a guy who had Durant-Westbrook-Harden and Ibaka and not only didn't manage to win a championship, they only got to the Finals once.

[dbestpro]

SCOUTING REPORT

Slasher on the wing… Excels in transition and attacking close-outs… Scores out of the pick-and-roll as the ball-handler… Shooting has improved gradually… Plays with a lot of energy… Good playmaker when presented with open teammates… Team-first player… Very inconsistent… Can shoot it lights out one game… And go cold the next game… Savvy defender… - Hoopshype

[Mr. Body]

SCOUTING REPORT

Slasher on the wing… Excels in transition and attacking close-outs… Scores out of the pick-and-roll as the ball-handler… Shooting has improved gradually… Plays with a lot of energy… Good playmaker when presented with open teammates… Team-first player… Very inconsistent… Can shoot it lights out one game… And go cold the next game… Savvy defender… - Hoopshype

Is this Osman? He's more toolsy than many think. Very inconsistent, according to Cavs fans. I notice that both pickups are good defenders. Cedi started for a playoff team.

[Mal]

NBA has too much money, when you eat 8 mil for 2nd round pick, which you have plenty of already

[Bruno]

Looks like Stevens contract was fully non-guaranteed. To make the trade work some of it must have been made guaranteed.

Struss got $63M/4 years. With the usual raising structure, it makes a starting salary of $14.65M. Cavs need to send at least $7.2M in guaranteed contract to make the trade. Osman salary is $6.7M, which mean Stevens contract is $500K guaranteed.

Stevens guaranteed date is October 1st. If Spurs don't need his contract to reach the salary floor, he might be waived before training camp.

[sfernald]

Welcome to the Cedi & Sidy show!!

[rankingtear]

Cedi would look good in our system. Another 6-7 220+ lb wing Wright is stockpiling. That is Cedi, Julian and Sidy now.

[timvp]

Looks like Stevens contract was fully non-guaranteed. To make the trade work some of it must have been made guaranteed.

Struss got $63M/4 years. With the usual raising structure, it makes a starting salary of $14.65M. Cavs need to send at least $7.2M in guaranteed contract to make the trade. Osman salary is $6.7M, which mean Stevens contract is $500K guaranteed.

Stevens guaranteed date is October 1st. If Spurs don't need his contract to reach the salary floor, he might be waived before training camp.

Awesome info. Thanks.

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

[J.T.]

Oh wow

[scott]

Awesome info. Thanks.

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

Could the Spurs fully guarantee the rest and then just waive him in order to get to the salary floor? Or does the floor have to be met with salaries on the active roster?

[timvp]

Could the Spurs fully guarantee the rest and then just waive him in order to get to the salary floor? Or does the floor have to be met with salaries on the active roster?

They could guarantee it, waive him and it'd still count, yeah.

[Bruno]

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

Without rounding numbers, I get:
Struss starting salary: $14,651,163
=> Cavs outgoing salary: $7,200,582
Osman Salary: $6,718,842
=> Stevens' guarantee : $481,740

[paperboy77]

Spurs might sign Vassel next summer to a new contract after having used their cap space. Even if he signs this summer a $100M+ extension, Spurs will still have something like $60M in cap space next summer.

I haven't looked at the 2024 FA class, maybe you're right it's a weak class.

100m ext for Vassel? That dudes is not remotely close to being worth that.

[mo7888]

100m ext for Vassel? That dudes is not remotely close to being worth that.

Players don't get what they're worth, they get what their agents can get them.. Vassell will get paid..

[Extra Stout]

Players don't get what they're worth, they get what their agents can get them.. Vassell will get paid..

Based upon what he has done so far in the his career, I’d say 4/$80 and frankly that’s being generous. Jak got that from Toronto and he has been a more impactful player in his career than Devin has. If he finally breaks out in 2023-24 then maybe he could earn 4/$100.

[mo7888]

Based upon what he has done so far in the his career, I’d say 4/$80 and frankly that’s being generous. Jak got that from Toronto and he has been a more impactful player in his career than Devin has. If he finally breaks out in 2023-24 then maybe he could earn 4/$100.

I don't disagree, but he's getting more than that...either this summer or alot more next..

[scott]

Did we ever get word on what the Spurs gave up in this trade? I'd imagine it was a fake SRP, but we had to have given up something, correct?