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    When you have young players on small contracts, they're going to go up. Every contract generally goes up.

    Making costly mistakes means it's harder to get out of the mistake and fix things. We have 0% of those.

    This board needs to sit in a quiet, dark room and inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale, hold the breath for thirty seconds, and think of a pretty mountian meadow.
    Americans don’t believe in delayed gratification.

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    Again -- how is adding Prince and Gabe Vincent the best off-season?
    Because they also retained the players they got at the trade deadline, along with Reaves. Did they not have the best, or 2nd best, record after making those trades?

    I hate the the ers. But Pelinka did well, tbh.

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    He got the very best contract he could get from the only team that was going to offer him.
    Again, I'm speaking here without the whole information, I'd like to know what's the highest possible 2 year contract he could get elsewhere. I mean, couldn't he get something like Bruce Brown got from Indiana? Just yesterday half this board was trying to convince me that he was better than Vassell or anyone on our roster. Now he couldn't at least get a 2 year, MLE deal from some team? If he could do that an negotiate freely next season, I can't wrap my head around why he didn't do that.

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    Floor update:

    Keldon Johnson – $20,000,000
    Doug McDermott – $13,750,000
    Devonte’ Graham – $12,100,000
    Zach Collins – $7,700,000
    Khem Birch – $6,985,000
    Devin Vassell – $5,887,899
    Jeremy Sochan – $5,316,960
    Malaki Branham – $3,071,880
    Blake Wesley – $2,504,640
    Charles Bassey – $2,500,000
    Jshua Primo – $4,341,600
    Victor Wembanyama – $12,158,760
    Tre Jones – ~$10,000,000
    Julian Champagnie – ~$3,000,000
    Cedi Osman – $6,718,842
    Lamar Stevens – ~$500,000

    Current Total: $116,535,581
    Salary Floor: $122,400,000

    So it looks like the Spurs are below the floor by about $6 million.
    To be more specific, it looks like the Spurs could decline Jones' contract by paying him $10,416,667 the first year and $9,583,333 the second year. That'd be $400,000 closer to the floor.

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    I think they’re the best in the west tbh. Last years team was put together at the deadline with no chemistry. Denver has only gotten worse and they already had no depth
    You might be right. They’re certainly deeper than Denver. HCA will play a huge role in that series if/when they matchup in the playoffs next season. I’m hoping Jamal Murray continues to improve, as well as MPJ’s dumbass, though I’m not holding my breath on him due to his low bball IQ. Hopefully Christian Braun takes another step too. Maybe one of their Rookies steps up. Either way, those 2 will be heavy favorites to come out of the West.

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    They obviously favor playing it ultra safe which means nothing atrocious is probably going to happen but that also really limits the upside. Honestly they're probably right to do things this way. I remember 2-3 years ago when everyone was all over Toronto's FO and look how bad they've ed up in that time span.
    Maybe. But I see teams like OKC, DET and others in similar spots taking smarter deals for their cap space or swings via trade on young high upside players and think: SA could have been more creative and bold while still keeping the plan/ethos in tact.

    Is it a HUGE gripe? Nope. Again, I love where SA is at. But Spurs are an in the weeds team still and a small market and need to be absolute hunters and hawks and turn over every single stone.

    They dont do that - IM not ing too much, but it’s the middle of FA so feels valid to discuss.

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    Because they also retained the players they got at the trade deadline, along with Reaves. Did they not have the best, or 2nd best, record after making those trades?

    I hate the the ers. But Pelinka did well, tbh.
    They didn’t overpay any of them either. I don’t like russell but 2/37 is an extremely fair deal for him. All of those are wins

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    Because they also retained the players they got at the trade deadline, along with Reaves. Did they not have the best, or 2nd best, record after making those trades?

    I hate the the ers. But Pelinka did well, tbh.
    They're doing fine, and I did like the moves, but they got roked in the playoffs. They only get as far as Day to Davis takes them. And he ain't taking them far.

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    Usman Garuba and Tyty Washington going from Houston to Atlanta. Not said who for.

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    Yeah, I mean, I'm not a super hard no against Lillard .... but it'd take something like Wemby requesting it and the Spurs not having to give up more than one first rounder.

    Last year Lillard was great. The previous year though he was terrible for a lot of the season. He was dealing with an injury that season but if that's a preview of an old Lillard, that was not a pretty sight.
    Agree. My preference is stay patient in moves like that. Be opportunistic for younger stars that may shake loose or being a third team facilitator. Just pointing out that IF there was a path to doing it or it was going to happen, there’s really only 1 or 2 ways Im even remotely ok with it even if I prefer they dont.

    The Vassell + 1 pick route or the just expiring aging vet + a couple picks route.

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    And I'd actually say the LAL picking up Jackson Hayes and Cam Reddish are awful pickups.

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    Exactly. There were a ton of ways to skin this cat, but Reaves ended up with one of the worst case scenarios. Hence the comment that he needs to fire his agent.

    Or, maybe Reaves is just a country bumpkin who doesn’t really care because $50M is still a ton of money. Who knows, but Reaves and his team definitely did not maximize their earning potential with this deal.
    You dont have to keep arguing your point. It's obvious to anyone who isn't trying to defend a defenseless position . The Laker win huge with that signing. Its was a bargain basement contract. They have an asset that improves them on the court now and if Lebron and AD bolt next year they can easily get 2 1st's for him and start a rebuild. The Spurs and Houston should both be embarrassed for letting that happen.

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    You might be right. They’re certainly deeper than Denver. HCA will play a huge role in that series if/when they matchup in the playoffs next season. I’m hoping Jamal Murray continues to improve, as well as MPJ’s dumbass, though I’m not holding my breath on him due to his low bball IQ. Hopefully Christian Brain takes another step too. Either way, those 2 will be perennial favorites to come out of the West.
    All the WCF games were pretty close and Murray was playing out of his mind by his own standards. Nugs hit a lot of circus shots that series

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    To get a bigger, longer Jeff Hornesek at that price... the Lakers!

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    You dont have to keep arguing your point. It's obvious to anyone who isn't trying to defend a defenseless position . The Laker win huge with that signing. Its was a bargain basement contract. They have an asset that impeoves them on the court now and if Lebron and AD bolt next year they can easily get 2 1st's for him and start a rebuild. The Spurs and Houston should both be embarrassed for letting that happen.
    You guys obsess over this stuff way too much. Lmao over how frantic you are about this crap with Austin freaking Reaves. Signing him to a contract would have been absurdly stupid, since you run the risk of actually getting him.

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    To be more specific, it looks like the Spurs could decline Jones' contract by paying him $10,416,667 the first year and $9,583,333 the second year. That'd be $400,000 closer to the floor.
    Any shot Cham contract is front loaded? Would also help and make tons of sense for Spurs risk wise moving forward.

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    Reaves dream is dead

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    people forgetting the Lakers are heavily dependent on Street Clothes and 39 year old Lebron. They have as much of a chance of missing the playoffs as making them.

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    You guys obsess over this stuff way too much. Lmao over how frantic you are about this crap with Austin freaking Reaves. Signing him to a contract would have been absurdly stupid, since you run the risk of actually getting him.
    Scott has stomped a mud hole in you on this topic and now you're letting him walk it dry... You're position isn't logical at the moment based on the facts we have. If we make a move that uses our cap space you might have a point, but right now you just look like you're being petulant because it amuses you.

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    Americans don’t believe in delayed gratification.
    If watching a team play horrible for 4-5 years is not delayed enough, I don't know what is. Should we wait another 4 or 5 years for gratification?

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    It's official, Rob Pelinka surpassed Jerry West, best GM all-time!

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    Usman Garuba and Tyty Washington going from Houston to Atlanta. Not said who for.
    Clint Capela. Even your dumbass should be able to figure that out

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    Atlanta is another team loading up in PG's...almost okc-lite

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    If watching a team play horrible for 4-5 years is not delayed enough, I don't know what is. Should we wait another 4 or 5 years for gratification?
    4 whole years out of the playoffs before landing another franchise player! Yeah, Spurs fans are spoiled.

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    And I'd actually say the LAL picking up Jackson Hayes and Cam Reddish are awful pickups.
    Going through other teams lottery garbage. I wouldn’t pay Reddish minimum.

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