2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT

[heyheymymy]

Oh, Patty Mills is going to be re-routed?

[TD 21]

Spurs have handed out good contracts and so far not made a foolish addition like Plumlee.

I especially like the relative gamble on Champagnie. Biggish young wing who provides versatile/volume 3-point shooting and apparently non liability defense, is worth it to look in, when Strus, a lower ceiling, smaller yet similar type, is getting 4/$64M.

Even the Osman + Stevens trade was fine. Add another 2nd, with maybe another to come by the deadline for the former.

Sign a minimal C (Lopez, Marjanovic, Yurtseven, etc.), offer Graham, Stevens and draft capital for Quickley and Fournier and call it an off season.

I'd say try to get in on Maxey or Simons if they become casualties of a Lillard trade, but he'll likely be traded to the Heat, with Herro going to a third team.

At Rockets and Craptors.

[ace3g]

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Sacramento Kings All-NBA C Domantas Sabonis has agreed to a contract renegotiation and extension for a total of $217M over five years — including $195M in new money, his agents Greg Lawrence and Jason Ranne tell ESPN.

[scott]

TBH, warming up to the outside chance of Herro. His contract isn't that bad - it's big, but not prohibitively big in the context of the new CBA and the timeline of our young core's contracts. It won't negatively impact our ability to do anything we would have done otherwise.

With that said, I put a 1% chance on it.

[DPG21920]

I will be unhappy with Herro personally. Would really be a piss in my cheerios moment lol

[GAustex]

Herro is a clown

[TekXX]

Herro would hate it here in San Antonio, no South Beach lifestyle, let's make it happen!

[dbestpro]

I am happy the Spurs have not loaded the team with marginal players on big contracts. Like they have been saying, they need to see what they got. Branham and Vassell could really blossom this year. Who knows how much Johnson could do when he is not so worried about being the primary scorer? Tre Jones is the type of PG they need who distributes the ball and does his job without being the primary scorer. This could be the return of the beautiful game.

[playblair]

Herro would hate it here in San Antonio, no South Beach lifestyle, let's make it happen!

katya would veto herro signing with spurs ala joumana kidd did to jason kidd because she said san antonio was boring.........

[cd98]

Well, no signing of any free agents outside of the Spurs organization. I just saw yet another free agent, DiVincenzo sign with a new team. I don't know what is left and I know this was not a great free agent class, but I figured the Spurs would be more active than this with all the available cash they have.

[Mr. Body]

Well, no signing of any free agents outside of the Spurs organization. I just saw yet another free agent, DiVincenzo sign with a new team. I don't know what is left and I know this was not a great free agent class, but I figured the Spurs would be more active than this with all the available cash they have.

Seem to not want to pay more than a single season to anybody other than the very minor contract to Champ.

[Mr. Body]

Harden has to be kicking himself. He could have taken FVV's money and played with the circus in Houston. Then he gets upstaged by Damian Lillard.

[ace3g]

It is still early in the FA process, however, while I had Keldon, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins, and Malaki as untouchable; I thought the overall look of the bench would be reworked.

See if anyone stands out in summer league as well.

[tbdog]

Disappointing off season moves. They're seriously wasn't just one young player that the Spurs could envision growing with the team and Wemby. Not one that the front office thought, in 3 years time he will be in our 9 player playoff rotation?

[ChumpDumper]

Team seems pretty young already IMO. I'm sure there has been some FO spitballing about how a Lillard Spurs team would work and whether the team could shift into the win-RIGHTNOW mode that would necessitate. That would really be the only reason to break the present and future banks before the signing period even starts.

[TekXX]

Can we hire Sam Presti back.

[Obstructed_View]

When I see which posters are unhappy with the draft and free agency, I am that much more sure the Spurs are doing the right thing.

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When I see which posters are unhappy with the draft and free agency, I am that much more sure the Spurs are doing the right thing.

When did you start supporting the tank so we could have Wembanyama? What FA moves would you suggest to make this team reach the playoffs?

[k830713]

Christian Wood 50/3 and trade PG (Lowry, Herro) for (Birch, Graham).
Lowry (Herro), Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Branham, McDermott, Cissoko (TW), Rice (TW)
Johnson, Sochan, Osman, Champagnie
Wembanyama, Mamukelashvili, Barlow (TW)
Collins, Wood, Bassey

[kobyz]

Unpopular opinion: Houston with okay off season, A little overpay for FVV but no other way to snatched him from Toronto, 20mill for Brooks is solid, it's like Keldon money and he's not worth less than Keldon, it's easy to overreact to one series but he's still a very good player who bring defensive and winning mentality, I don't buy all the behaviour problems talk about him, things got a little out of control with him in the Lakers series because of his will to win while Memphis was disaster culture situation with the Ja not giving ... Houston trying to be compe ive and win some game so their young guys could develop in that atmosphere which is important

[TrueSpursFan]

Christian Wood 50/3 and trade PG (Lowry, Herro) for (Birch, Graham).
Lowry (Herro), Jones, Wesley
Vassell, Branham, McDermott, Cissoko (TW), Rice (TW)
Johnson, Sochan, Osman, Champagnie
Wembanyama, Mamukelashvili, Barlow (TW)
Collins, Wood, Bassey

no way Sochan comes off the bench

[Ariel]

Unpopular opinion: Houston with okay off season, A little overpay for FVV but no other way to snatched him from Toronto, 20mill for Brooks is solid, it's like Keldon money and he's not worth less than Keldon, it's easy to overreact to one series but he's still a very good player who bring defensive and winning mentality, I don't buy all the behaviour problems talk about him, things got a little out of control with him in the Lakers series because of his will to win while Memphis was disaster culture situation with the Ja not giving ... Houston trying to be compe ive and win some game so their young guys could develop in that atmosphere which is important

I wouldn't say I love their moves or their team, but I understand them and they're not that bad.
For starters, they had a pretty decent draft, where Cam Whitmore fell into their lap for some yet unexplained concerns about health (long term problems with his knees, supposedly) and character (detached, apathetic), plus underwhelming measures and poor individual workouts. But even if he has a shorter career and doesn't light up the room, at some point you've got to bet on talent and at 20 I'd say he's en extremely interesting value proposition.
Amen Thompson comes with serious risks, but I've heard a couple interviews and I was really surprised with how smart and mature he came out, that doesn't magically make a 3 pointer go in, but I definitely buy into him putting in the work to give it his best chance and at least become a positive everywhere else, which should be enough to not flame out of the league at the very least.
As for their much maligned free agency, lots of folks are clowning their signings, but the devil is in the details:

• Fred VanVleet signed a 3 year contract worth about 130M... but THE THIRD YEAR IS A TEAM OPTION, making it a de-facto 2 year deal unless it's in Houston's best interest. Since they had to use the cap space anyways and the big FA market is in '25 (where he'd come off the books) then it means they could still be players there. Also a large portion of VanVleet signing is due to Houston wanting to set an example for their backcourt players (horrendously inefficient chuckers Jalen Green & KPJ) and set their other youngsters for success (Jabari Smith Jr, Sengun, Whitmore). It's not a dream signing, but the rationale is clear and I didn't see much better alternatives, TBH
• Langdale comes off a productive season in Phoenix, and though 4 years 32M sounds like an overpay at first glance, ONLY THE FIRST YEAR IS GUARANTEED plus the 4TH YEAR IS A TEAM OPTION, making it a VERY LOW RISK investment and potentially a good deal if he delivers.
• Dillon Brooks is the worst of the bunch, if they pay him 20 million a season for 4/5 years then that is a risk given his shot chucking ways and antagonistic behavior at times. This one I like the least.

Overall, I think Houston is giving some of their youngsters (Sengun, Jabari Smith Jr) much more compatible teammates, while signaling others (Jalen Green, KPJ) that their happy go lucky days are over and that they'll be held accountable. Seems like a sensible approach. Nothing to get too excited about, but I don't think it's as bad as it's being portrayed over here.

[Ariel]

Harden has to be kicking himself. He could have taken FVV's money and played with the circus in Houston. Then he gets upstaged by Damian Lillard.

Why? Houston didn't pursue him, that's 100% Harden camp propaganda trying to create leverage in Philly, that didn't catch on. Also I don't necessarily think their market is the same, his antics have worn people down and many won't consider him an option. I think Harden should consider himself lucky he's not out of the league with all the crap he pulled in the last few years: demands in Houston that caused them to flip PGs time and again, showing up fat for training camp and forcing a trade to Brooklyn, sabotaging them from within and setting them up to take Ben Simmons (it's mostly on Marks, though), only to repeat his malcontent act yet again just now. No self respecting organization should touch him with a 10 foot pole.

[venitian navigator]

I wonder if all these pg potential players (fvv, Mills, kpj) could make Amen Thompson a little more available on trade talks... He was supposed to be the player our do was more interested in drafting if we didn't win the lottery... And if I had to make a big offer for the supposed second big time player for our future he's probably the only one worth it...

[SpursFan86]

Nothing to get too excited about, but I don't think it's as bad as it's being portrayed over here.

I unfortunately agree that some of the moves really aren’t nearly as bad when considering the details (FVV’s 3rd year being a team option, Landale’s 1st year being the only one guaranteed). Additionally, it’s hard to argue they didn’t have a solid draft night - they got arguably two top 5 prospects without needing to make any trades. That being said, I still think FA so far has been pretty close to a disaster.

- 4/$80MM in fully guaranteed money for Dillon Brooks is absolutely terrible…right up there with Jerami Grant’s deal as one of the worst this offseason

- They had to trade away two SRPs in order to get rid of three of their recent first round picks. While guys like TyTy/Garuba/Christopher haven’t shown a ton of promise, they’re still so young and didn’t really get a fair shot at all. To cut bait like that is terrible asset management. Imagine if we gave up two SRPs just to ship off Branham/Wesley in a salary dump this year Guess the irony here is we waived Luka and Primo which is just as bad, but everyone here realizes that and thought it was embarrassing.

- They actually found a nice steal in the 2nd round a few years ago in Kenyon Martin Jr…and just proceeded to trade him for two future SRPs where they’ll be lucky to land someone that ends up as promising.

- I understand they just want his vet presence and he may hardly play at all, but Jeff Green has been largely terrible for a while now. If they end up stealing away someone like Eason’s minutes to give to Jeff Green that’ll be awful (for them, not us )

All in all, they threw a ton of money at people and I’m really not sure they got THAT much better. They’re spinning it as shifting their culture which is fine but at best it’s been an underwhelming offseason. If 1-2 of those young guys they shipped off end up being legitimate then it turns into an absolute disaster.