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Dame’s timing was really ed up. I’d be pissed off if I were them, too.
How many of those players will have Spurs on their list tho????
Dame’s timing was really ed up. I’d be pissed off if I were them, too.
If Wemby lives up to the hype, no star will be opposed to being traded to the Spurs.
I think the timing was very specific. He waited until his teammate Grant got paid. That's a pretty cool teammate actually.
You guys have a 19 year old phenom on your team and are casually discussing sending years and years of draft picks.
...for four years of Damien Lillard.
Four. Years. At the end of which he will be 37 and making 60 million dollars a year.
60 Million won't even get you the next FVV contract in four years! And Wemby just got through making a big championship run in France. Why would he not want to be in the playoffs here day one!! If we want to keep him, we need to bring a perennial contender and not wait four years to get there.
Exactly. A lot of people opposed to the idea are suggesting we’d give up the farm or that we’d mess up some grand plan. Giving up Vassell and a first round pick or two is so low risk that it doesn’t change much for their long term plans.
Exactly even my ty worst case trade above really isn't high risk. Most all important players are retained and we still have draft picks for days.
We heard it all before. And yup if Wemby lives up to his potential, they will come (Field of Dreams).
A lot of ST posters need to lay-off their coffee. Chill and trust the process
So you're willing to sacrifice as much as five years of draft picks for a guy who is going to be declining as your young core just starts getting good? Right as your superstar is ready to sign his first extension? That makes no sense to me. All you are showing Victor with that move is that the future isn't important. That's the quickest way to see him sign elsewhere.
The goal is that they have won a championship at some point within those five years. Then the team will in such regard that stars will be clamoring to join Wemby and replace the aging Lillard.
First order of thinking: What would we give up, now, to get Damian Lillard? A current player, draft picks.
Second order of thinking: What are the potential consequences not seen by first order thinking? Lillard on the decline, paying Lillard $60 million in years three and four, missing out on Vassell's development, missing out on those draft picks, not being able to use the money for other players, possibly having to use assets to move Lillard if he's done/does not fit
First order thinking accounts for only the immediate costs and benefits. This is where bad GMs live. Second order thinking is where well-run organizations live. First order thinking is important, but second order thinking is absolutely vital.
The idea that a big time player in a non-glamorous city is a lure for free agents is mostly mythological. That didn't work with Robinson, and it didn't work with Duncan. Granted, you probably only need it to work once, but it's not as likely to happen as many believe.
The goal is to semi-regularly win a championship over a period of time like we did from 99-14. Doing what it takes to get Dame takes a blowtorch to that.
Within what five years? Lillard is gone in four. You gave up five years of first round picks plus Devin Vassell. The only thing more questionable than thinking they win a le in the two years before Dame blows an Achilles is thinking San Antonio becomes a free agent destination to recoup all your lost talent with ring chasers.
The only reason to want Lillard is if you think he can win you a le.
The only way you think Lillard can win you a le is if you think the current Spurs are a playoff team.
If you don't think the latter, don't wish for the former.
Lillard is good for maybe two more years. Let's be optimistic and say he's good for all four, if declining.
The team isn't going to be ready for a deep playoff run immediately. , they don't even know how to close out regular season games, or stop runs or any number of intermediary things. It'll take a playoff or two after that to know how to beat teams there. So by the time they're ready to go, Damian Lillard, who has only had modest playoff success and years ago, will be sharply declining.
And we've then sold off tons of draft picks and are stick stuck paying the guy.
Anyway -- we all know the Spurs aren't trading for Damian Lillard. Again, the question is whether the Spurs want Tyler Herro.
Imagine Dame stretching the floor to 35-feet out, and Wemby inside.
I still don't see it happening, but...man, that would be fun to watch.
I’ve said this in the past: a team doesn’t have to be good from top to bottom. Only your top two or three does. Those players elevate everyone else and completely shift the outlook of the team.
and again, you are blowing things out of proportion with the “give up four or five picks”. I think you’re repeating that because that’s the only thing that justifies your position, which nearly everyone who is advocating for this has said that wouldn’t be the case.
We got to trap them thru the draft because we all know they don't want to come to SA, ooh but they have huge respect for pop, whatever good that gets us which is not much.
I'm sure the chances of the Spurs getting him are small, but with the reports of what is coming out from the Rip City front office, the odds of the Heat getting him are probably even smaller since every GM in the league has slept on the idea of bringing Lillard aboard last night and there's just no way the Heat can generate a compe ive offer to what is likely going to be put out there. Make no mistake, the offers will look much more like the Rudy Gobert offer than the Bradley Beal offer in this case.
If you want to sign a free agent around here they'll say you want to be just like Houstin, there's no middle ground.
The Spurs at least have to entertain the idea of trading for Lillard. Do their due diligence and see what Portland is willing to take.
On the other hand I will be totally fine to see how Vassell and Johnson fit with Wemby tho.
The number isn't exactly known, but if young player + a few picks swaps were enough, likely there would be a trade in place already. At the moment Miami can offer 2 unprotected firsts ('28 & '30) + 2 unprotected swaps ('27 + '29... technically '24 as well, but it'd be a "fake" swap) + a couple recent draftees (Jaquez & Jovic) + Herro... I doubt an offer of the caliber you mention (young player + 1/2 pick/s) isn't already on the table yet nothing got done.
Keldon, not Vassell, which personally is a huge difference to me. I would not do the trade personally at all that way.
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