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Wonder what type of package they’d be looking for…doubt Spurs get involved here but interesting nonetheless
it's should be very disturbing for Spurs fan if that is their thinking
Wonder what type of package they’d be looking for…doubt Spurs get involved here but interesting nonetheless
Meh, you'll be fine.
we can send them Osman and Stevens back for him
Osman + Stevens + six SRPs…get it done BWrightwe can send them Osman and Stevens back for him
Quickley was my somewhat reasonable point guard target for the off season. There were rumors he wasn’t part of their future due to roster and financial issues. But I think that perhaps changed.
At the false narratives that continue to surround them because of unprecedented luck, Craptors fans and fanboys alike desperate to inject them into every superstar/star trade scenario.
Somehow Barnes went from the GOAT prospect who couldn't possibly be traded for Durant to being the centerpiece for an aging small guard who doesn't want to be there (whether it should or not, that matters).
Anything to try to quick fix and will themselves to relevancy.
If anything, it's more likely he's not. They now have five other starter/high end backup perimeter players, none of whom are really suited to playing significant four. At some point, something's got to give.
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People don't seem to realize that vets can help guys grow. Like sure, Lopez would've taken minutes for Bassey or whatever, but if he was a good mentor to Wemba, isn't that worth more? Maybe having an experienced, high-quality PG would help Vassell and Johnson develop the off-ball games they need to in order to succeed with a more actualized Wembayama. And experienced scorer might have a better understanding of how he can use his skills to leverage a defense in order to give Victor easier opportunities. Experienced defenders can make Wemba's transition to NBA-level offensive players easier by not being the pure sieves the in bent Spurs were and have been for years (it was not just a tanking thing). No, they shouldn't've traded all of their youth away for vets, nor should they have tried to bring an entire in-its-prime core. But yes, key vets are important. That's part of why McDermott has the value to the Spurs he does. Young players matter too, but they don't all matter the same. They have their blue chip and a number of red-chip players. They can focus on them, on creating the atmosphere that helps them grow, rather than trying to prioritize their white-chip prospects.
The Spurs shouldn't be in the position where they are like, "Should we be running these plays for Vassell or Champ? Are we going to put the ball in Sochan's hands or Mamu's?" It's one thing to be meritocratic and willing to accept when a guy like Mamu or Champ has earned additional investment. But they should have to crest a higher barrier to earn that status than the players they took in the lottery. It's virtuous to allow a guy like that to prove himself. It's not virtuous to hamstring the roster to force them to do so. That's why an old, steady hand is better than a young guy still trying to cut his teeth. Or a young star still trying to be the man. It's a shame that there are multiple older stars on the market right now but somehow they happen to be the three worst players for this kind of situation.
We'll see what they do during the draft, but it's amazing that they weren't willing to do the Holmes deal. They could've used him on the court, and it's very likely that there's somebody between 24 and 33 whom the Spurs liked. They may still use the space for a good reason. But if they just wanted a dump, that was a big miss on their part. It made sense in the context of them wanting to use their space to sign a guy or as a critical part of a big trade. But if they wanted to just run it back, getting an experienced center on an expiring deal for a decent first seems obvious as . There was a fair bit of speculation the Spurs wanted a guy who was taken in the late 20s. If that was true, this was a big miss. If they didn't want anyone, they probably could've gotten a team to trade up into the first. Like Minny might've done the same kind of trade for 24, but with the added bonus of having a productive big instead of Cedi.
I'm still holding out hope that either Lillard or Harden have something for SA in there. If they take a large salary for a second just to waive that player, it'll be a bad off-season outside of the obviously amazing beginning to it.
let's trade for Dinwiddie
Lol, I love it.
Somehow Barnes went from the GOAT prospect who couldn't possibly be traded for Durant to being the centerpiece for an aging small guard who doesn't want to be there (whether it should or not, that matters).
Anything to try to quick fix and will themselves to relevancy.
If anything, it's more likely he's not. They now have five other starter/high end backup perimeter players, none of whom are really suited to playing significant four. At some point, something's got to give.
You're just waiting for KingKev to post, aren't you?
Just great! I can feel your anticipation, and that's not dogging you.
I'm enjoying these little quiets before the storm.
... Now I want to watch Leon: The Professional.
This is maybe my biggest gripe with the people around here who act like it’s foolish to go out and get any vets. “What’s the point? This FA class isn’t good and none of these guys would make us le contenders”…as if there’s no benefit to be had from having a couple of solid veterans around to mentor guys both on and off the court. It’s one thing if you’re talking about adding a vet who will have a huge role and play 36 mpg, but pretty much none of the popular names thrown around this off-season fall into that category.
Isn't Osman a vet? It's a young team and they still want to see what they have in the young players before casting them off. More vets will be added when/if the Spurs get closer to contention but they're trying to make some vets by that time as well.
I think its more about if you didn’t have a plan for vets (which I agree with, especially high usage expensive vets) then you should have been more inventive with your cap space (even the Mavs took on a deal and got an extra first round pick for it).
Have some sort of imagination and use your assets to improve either on the court and/or your ability in the future. Again, is it a MAJOR deal? No. They are still in a good spot. But so much meat left on the bone for a team that should be very much in asset ac ulation mode and had a TON of cap space, players and picks at their disposal. This was a mail it in entirely free agency and draft for no reason at all.
Edit: Should go without saying, but I will say it: FA is not over. SA may very well have a plan and be involved in bigger deals and we see all of that happen. So Im not judging until it’s over and Im not even mad if this is all we do. I agree with patience and that overall mindset. Im 100% behind that overall plan and that’s most important
Just want to see a bit more creativity and sharpness and asset optimization
Go back and read my posts. I have said several times that the Spurs' biggest need is vets with playoff experience. Mario Elie was 35 when he came to SA, but he wasn't dragging a 120 million dollar anchor around his neck. Also, he had actually won championships.
We already have McDermott, who may follow his dad into coaching, and Graham.
Like, we already have vets on the team.
I can get slow rolling and not going all in on most free agents and seeing what type of players fit, though I agree that useful mentors would be a good use of cap space - If you want Wemby to get better and learn, a lot will come from coaching from Pop et al and knowing more things over time, but also from learning from guys on the bench / in drills, talking through positioning on the floor. Mentoring is key for that, and to this point, I think that's been missed on.
From the deal Brook has apparently agreed to, I think the Bucks were biting the Bullet and signing him / matching a $ offer, but it's worth offering as he's REALLY FREAKING GOOD, and a better mentor on positioning / playing within the rules of the 3 second limit than basically anyone in the league. We don't know what the Spurs have offered and ben rejected on, though rumours of Houston offering Brook, and the lack of a Reaves offer feel like bad process.
If we end up with a year of Lowry or Batum within the Lilliard / Harden trades, it'll be less bad, and I'll wait until the end of the offseason for judging, but seems like a lack of a clear valuation on the role of veterans in helping build habits and understanding.
They'd ask for Vassell probably. He's good but overrated in that you can find multiple players to give you 80% of what he does without giving up a core piece for him. But Cleveland should DEFINITELY trade him if that means they get a really good wing. I'd also trade one of Garland / Mitc if I were them.
If the team wants to see what we have in our young players, call it more developing, if you want, while not trying to overtax Victor, while also being OK with a softer soft tank to get one more high pick…then I’m OK with that scenario, but because we have no idea what their real motivation is, all we can do is speculate, and tear each other‘s eyes out, of course.
BWrong probably wondering how all these teams negotiated so quickly after June 30th
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Regardless of how you think this off-season has gone, it's pretty clear the Spurs aren't great at utilizing cap space.
Not to mention the fact that literally Manu and Timmy are often seen in practices working on the young guys.
Excellent post, I'm learning a lot....thank you Sir
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