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Sochan and Vassell fill those minutes fine. Keldon plays the forward position, but is lacking size, athletic ability and defense at the position. All of which vassell and sochan are as good if not a better fit.
This is a great breakdown. If you can be compe ive now, you be compe ive now. Dame is a top tier player and isn't close to his end game. 30 is not old, not sure why people still don't understand that. Especially not for guys who are shooters. I don't get the "timeline" everyone talks about. You're not guaranteed Wemby wants to stay here forever losing. There is no timeline outside of his current contract until he signs again.
I wouldn't make a bad deal but If there was a favorable deal on the table for Dame? Absolutely. Ridiculous not to want a talent like that leading your next generational star. Would help tremendously with being the biggest target in the NBA next year. You have the money, it won't hamper you and you give up Keldon? A guy who is legitimately one of the worse defenders in the league? You're not winning with that type of defense at any point. Keldon has gotten worse at defense, not better. Love Keldon, but he's not a cornerstone player.
And the draft picks, this is exactly why you stock piled them. To make a move when it was available. You can't draft two 1st rounders every year.
Like I said, I'm not throwing it all away on Dame, but if Spurs can get a good deal for him and he wants to be here? Absolutely take him. Now maybe the deal is horrible and maybe he would never want to be here, then yea move on, but easy yes to Dame if the price is right. He helps your generational star. He protects him. You're investing in Wemby being a Spur for life. That's absolutely worth it if he is what they think he is.
Sochan and Vassell fill those minutes fine. Keldon plays the forward position, but is lacking size, athletic ability and defense at the position. All of which vassell and sochan are as good if not a better fit.
If it's picks n end of bench salary fillers fine but not willing to give up our young talent. Keldon, vassell, could put up all star type numbers if that's what dame wants...sochan proved he could and malaki has potential...like our first 12 guys can put up 20 any night if pop draws defense off of them with proper plays
Careful bro. This is heretical stuff and certain posters will be along shortly to tell you how idiotic you are for daring question the greatness that is PATFO....or at minimum the idea that we aren't already destined for greatness as currently constructed. And while you're at it, how dare you mention that we still haven't reached the salary floor or have picks to trade. What kind of cretin are you anyway?
You'll never be happy, deal with it.
If he's a bust then that next 1st overall isn't walking through that door anytime soon. Nothing to lose in that case. It's not like anyone here does profit sharing with the Spurs owners.
He's 33. It makes a difference on a contract that's back loaded to thank a vet for his contribution. A team acquiring him misses out on most of the contribution and is stuck paying for the thank you.
I'd be all over getting Lillard if he was 30. He's not, he's 33.
, I might be willing to look at him prior to the trade deadline depending on how things flesh out. Not certain why everyone is in such a panic to use every draft pick and spend every dollar before summer league has even started.
I'd be the third team to pick up Herro tbh. If he can play for Spo and Riley and all of the distractions that come with living in Miami, San Antonio would be a cake walk.
Really think the Lillard trade is not for us. Unless Herro somehow appeals to the brass but I don't think so.
Harden is where it's at. He'll get to the Clippers and we are watching the whole meet up like a coyote in the desert. I don't think they can keep both centers. There's rumors Zubac is available.
Would I trade a first for Zubac? Dunno. Probably that Charlotte one. Also, the Clippers have almost no seconds for the rest of the decade. But then... I think it's Philadelphia that gets the draft assets of the Spurs step on and grab the center to facilitate.
Did not know his contract was backloaded, that does make a bit of a difference.
I agree here. It's not a rush thing, but it's also not an automatic No like people are saying to add a star player to help your franchise player develop. I like the spurs approach of seeing what they have first. For Lilliard, the Only other bid against the spurs would be the Nets. If they go all in, good for them but if there would be the possibility for a good deal to invest in helping Wemby develop. With that being said, I see the spurs getting Herro much more likely in a facilitating position over Lilliard.
Dame Lillard, even at 33, is top of the top player you can get, come on.
I`ll take 2nd round, when Wemby is still 19.
Precisely not, that's the whole point and why Wright is the GM, who as such has to see the big picture and deal spurs assets consequently, not just plan for the near future... The goal is not to be compe ive but to contend, nobody cares are about the couple WC semi finals Lillard presence could eventually bring to SA. You're not ringing with today's Lillard who is 32, not 30 by the way...
And no one should assume anything about how compe ive he could be after 34, we have no idea how he will feel physicall and psychologically and that's part of the risk that a GM has to calculate...Lillard does'nt fit the timeline and jeoperdize a lot of things you could and should do when Wemby will enter his prime... Missing on superstars in the next couple of years who could make you contend for 4-5 years just for a couple of WC semis doesn't make sense, reason why SA won't do it.
"If you can be compe ive now, you be compe ive now" is what a bad GM would say.
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Their job is literally based on being compe ive. This is just a silly take. Wemby wants to compete. He has said it multiple times. Competing does not mean selling the farm and giving away all assets. It doesn't mean taking bad deals. If there is a good deal where the spurs clearly win, you think they should avoid it simply because they shouldn't be compe ive now?
That, good sir, is a bad GM.
You can't keep superstars when you're not compe ive. If Wemby is a LeBron level player, you have to be compe ive sooner than later.
A "bad GM" didn't care about being compe ive in Cleveland. We saw how that turned out.
I don't think Wemby is that level of impact this early, and don't think it's necessary. You can't be in the lottery every year with a generational talent. It won't workout.
The original argument was simply against being automatically against Lilliard without even knowing what the cost were. So even in the event of it benefiting the spurs, they shouldn't consider it? That's just silly. You should consider all options and weigh the highs and lows. If it works out to your benefit and you can be compe ive now over not compe ive, yea you absolutely consider that every time. I listed the benefits of the situation, mostly towards Wemby. He is the priority if he is the franchise. You build around what's best for him. Having a competent PG over one of the worse defensive players in the league in keldon johnson and a couple 1st round picks you probably won't be able to use isn't a bad deal to help Wemby his first few years.
It doesn't mean it's the one to make, plenty of question marks without even seeing wemby play in the NBA yet, but once again, Wemby is the priority if he's that guy.
Key point here.
We just don't know. He could be the next Kareem or the next Oden.
We need at least half a season to establish his actual ability and more importantly durability in the NBA.
And it's not like the rest of the roster is full of established players.
We need one season with no bs DNPs, everyone playing at their best, in order to properly evaluate the roster.
Most of us who are against trading for Lillard would have no issue in doing so if we were sure Wemby is the next big thing, but we're not.
What if he gets injured before we even figure out his potential? You're stuck with Lillard who's not going to sit out another season.
If Wemby has a Duncan-like rookie season, then by all means, go all in the next summer and get ready for contention.
I just think that trading for a 33 year old on a supermax that runs through 2027 isn't a good idea.
Might seem far fetched because Spurs were never a destination for big names, but just look at the state of the league.
Mavs completely ruined any chance to build around Luka and he doesn't seem to have Dirk's loyalty. He's gone within two years if this situation continues.
Memphis looked to be on their way to contention, but it turned out that Ja is an idiot. If he doesn't get his together this season, I can see some trade requests being made.
TWolves are always a trainwreck, can't see Edwards sticking around for long.
NOLA is also a joke, but we don't really want either of their stars.
Suns are stacked right now, but that roster is very close to their expiry date. Two seasons at the most and they're done. Who knows what happens with Booker after that.
Kings are good, but already at their limit because they can't add another star and neither Fox nor Sabonis are good enough as first options on a legit contender.
Hawks are close to imploding.
Celtics have a big decision to make with Brown's contract.
Cavs will have to get rid of Mitc or Garland (my personal favorite for Wemby's partner) because two small guards on a max, playing with no defense just can't work.
Bucks extended their window by a couple of seasons, but they'll be done in 2025 with no assets remaining. Giannis will still be young enough.
Sixers are in a horrible position. I'd say their window is closed and Embiid won't be there much longer, imo.
I didn't even include Warriors, Lakers or Clippers because they're just straight up old and don't have an all-star Spurs would want.
Denver is the only contending team in a really good long-term situation right now.
Biting on Lillard trade is something poorly ran organizations with no patience do.
He most defintiely doesn't even want to join and would play for the Spurs as a last resort option. Then we'd have to make a couple more trades because he won't come to fight for the play-in.
After nephew sabotaged everything, Spurs kept digging themselves even deeper for a couple of years with all those treadmill team trades.
They finally realized it's time to go and got incredibly lucky with Wemby. I'm sure they won't ruin it just because a 33 year old star asked out.
I honestly can't remember when was the last time NBA had so many contenders in questionable situation and uncertain long-term future.
I'd say that as soon as the next summer, Spurs will have at least a couple of opportunities to trade for any of the players I mentioned above. Players who are way closer to Wemby timeline than Lillard.
By then we'll know if Wemby is actually the real deal. If he is, then very few players won't have Spurs on their list of preferred trade destinations.
And not only that, but Spurs will have enough assets to make multiple trades. Just takes some patience.
Season can't start soon enough so everyone can forget all about these potential trades.
I don't know what the rush is. Do 35 year old all star guards stopped being available after this offseason.
I would do KJ, MCD, salary filler, Charlotte pick 1st (14 at best) and Chicago pick (mid first i think), 2-3 second rounders. Thats it. After a few days Portland will realize Most teams have nothing great to offer for Dame at 32.
You do understand that he’s failing at all of that, right? They’ve been shopping him for a year because of that fact. It’s not just to trade him for lillard. He’s been on the block.
Oh, and he would absolutely fail here, which is why we wouldn’t trade for him.
If Wemby is who everyone thinks he is then the Spurs will be compe ive whether anyone likes it or not.
I'm confident they'll surprise people, like in the first 7 game this past year but over a whole season. The biggest thing holding them back is the lack of a good point guard / on ball creator. That is probably the easiest way to lose is by having bad point play.
If Vassell gets an extension anything like the current payscales going around the Spurs might never have enough cap room to add a top 15 point guard via free agency for the rest of Wemby's career. VanVleet wasn't a top 10 pg in my eyes and ... still has an estimated 1st year salary of 40.8!
That's if there's even any one to sign. The top 3 UFA points next year are dejounte, Conley and Lowry. Plus 35 year old DeMar if he counts. In 2025 they'll be Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray (good luck), 31 year old Derrick White and 35 year old non shooting Jrue.
I was not a fan of signing FVV before free agency because of the reasons people don't like a Lillard deal: doesn't fit with the plan, age not in the same timeline ... So why do I think differently for someone even older who would cost assets beyond just capspace? Because Lillard is that much better. He's so good that he can be worth it, if he wanted to play for SA of course.
High risk yet high reward . I don't expect it to happen and won't be heartbroken when it doesn't. Just an entertaining thought experiment.
Why do you want to lose in the conference semifinals?
Apparently he is the greatest aging guard of all time. I'm pretty certain he will be on the trading block again in two years.
I'm super grateful that Victor is confident and wants to win right away. I don't necessarily think that mortgaging a significant part of your future on the optimism of a 19 year old is the wisest course of action.
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