Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

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You need to use facts in your replies and not base your arguments on your predetermined desire to defend the FO.

I don't particularly give a about the front office. That they happen to agree with me is one thing. That they stated exactly what they intended to do and have 100 percent stuck to it is yet another thing. Those things are both facts. I think the young guys are going to develop, moreso with Wemby as the centerpiece. That's an opinion. I want to see that develop for at least a few weeks before giving up roster positions, let alone assets. That's a desire.

1. Nowhere have I praised Houston's moves, in fact I'm on record on at least 2 threads mocking them just in the past two days.

That's hugely hypocritical of you, considering they've been more than willing to trash their own drafted players by chasing names and throwing around money, whether it makes sense or not. They certainly seem to be doing what many of you want the Spurs to do.

2. You're being obtuse if you're telling me that even 1 of Khem Birch, Lamar Stevenson, Cedi Osman, or Barlow could not have been bested by any number of the 182 available free agents heading into free agency.

The Spurs literally just traded for two of those guys, which brings the number of players on the roster to 20, so there are too many guys on the roster as there is. I don't know anything about them. If I stipulate that there are a lot of players that are better than the guys you mentioned, do they fill a need the Spurs have? We don't know. I watched a lot of games last year and I don't know. As for the roster, I have been on record wanting a vet with playoff experience who can lead the younger guys. There may have been someone of those 182 that the Spurs could afford, but wouldn't have the skillset to move the needle, so why would anyone be bent out of shape if it doesn't happen?

By the way, if it came down to any available free agent and Dom Barlow, I'm not cutting Barlow right now.

3. You're completely and repeatedly misrepresenting my position. The only time I've advocated for sending out ANY draft picks was for only ONE 1st to go along with some seconds, McBuckets, and Vassell for Dame, if that would get it done, and if not to not do it. Everyone else would have merely been a signing in free agency. And dude, how many times do I have to repeat: we are STILL under the salary FLOOR (not CAP). And that's with having 1 too many roster spots taken. Nowhere have I advocated blowing up cap space or long term flexibility.

Oh, well then you need to have the Spurs make that call and send you a recording of the laughter on the other end, because that would definitely NOT get it done. It's going to take a huge chunk of the Spurs' draft future to get a guy who is going to be here four years max if he stays healthy. Also, I wouldn't trade Vassell straight up for Lillard right now. Given that Wembanyama is 19, it's re edly stupid to give up a guy who could give you fifteen more years of 20+ points per game alongside him. All the second-tier free agents from this class wouldn't make up for that loss.

As for the salary floor, I'm not sure why people are getting so excited about it. The Spurs have until the end of October to get there. I'm frankly wearied by talking about it, because I don't give a about salaries. Is that my predetermined desire to defend the front office? If they don't care about having to write a check to the league and miss out on their luxury tax share, I damn sure don't.

4. And finally, "how is it hard to understand that" my argument is precisely that on a 22 win team something should have come up to better the roster which is my point and complaint. Merely repeating or echoing their plan to run it back is not a defense or rebuttal of my argument. It's just reflexive because you can both run it back and improve the roster simultaneously without too much trouble.

I take issue with your contention that this is a 22-win team. They tanked hard. They held guys out with minor injuries, they let young players get a ton of burn, they funneled the ball to the corners on nearly every possession, and they didn't ask a single guy to play defense. Still it was sometimes a task getting lineups to lose games, and many of the losses were due to the shortened lineup running out of gas.

I don't know what else to tell you. I loved watching these guys play last year. I think there is a lot of promise on the roster, as well as a lot of chemistry. I think Victor will fit in perfectly with that. And the Spurs have a ton of cap flexibility and an assload of draft picks for when the right opportunity comes by. I don't see any need to that up just because some of the fans don't see the Spurs mentioned on ESPN enough. I certainly don't see any sure-fire improvements that are worthy of all this debate. Frankly, I'm relieved that we will have actual basketball to talk about for a ing change so we can let all this bickering die a well-deserved death.

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Damn if only there was a way to change your draft positioning. Like an exchange of assets of sorts. A barter. I’m sure there’s a technical term for it

You mean a trade? Like where the Spurs traded a second round pick for two second round picks, and still got the guy on their draft board? Like that kind of trade?

[spurraider21]

You mean a trade? Like where the Spurs traded a second round pick for two second round picks, and still got the guy on their draft board? Like that kind of trade?

Kinda but in a way that helped the roster. I know. Stratospheric stuff

link to the spurs draft board?

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I don't particularly give a about the front office. That they happen to agree with me is one thing. That they stated exactly what they intended to do and have 100 percent stuck to it is yet another thing. Those things are both facts. I think the young guys are going to develop, moreso with Wemby as the centerpiece. That's an opinion. I want to see that develop for at least a few weeks before giving up roster positions, let alone assets. That's a desire.



That's hugely hypocritical of you, considering they've been more than willing to trash their own drafted players by chasing names and throwing around money, whether it makes sense or not. They certainly seem to be doing what many of you want the Spurs to do.



The Spurs literally just traded for two of those guys, which brings the number of players on the roster to 20, so there are too many guys on the roster as there is. I don't know anything about them. If I stipulate that there are a lot of players that are better than the guys you mentioned, do they fill a need the Spurs have? We don't know. I watched a lot of games last year and I don't know. As for the roster, I have been on record wanting a vet with playoff experience who can lead the younger guys. There may have been someone of those 182 that the Spurs could afford, but wouldn't have the skillset to move the needle, so why would anyone be bent out of shape if it doesn't happen?

By the way, if it came down to any available free agent and Dom Barlow, I'm not cutting Barlow right now.


Oh, well then you need to have the Spurs make that call and send you a recording of the laughter on the other end, because that would definitely NOT get it done. It's going to take a huge chunk of the Spurs' draft future to get a guy who is going to be here four years max if he stays healthy. Also, I wouldn't trade Vassell straight up for Lillard right now. Given that Wembanyama is 19, it's re edly stupid to give up a guy who could give you fifteen more years of 20+ points per game alongside him. All the second-tier free agents from this class wouldn't make up for that loss.

As for the salary floor, I'm not sure why people are getting so excited about it. The Spurs have until the end of October to get there. I'm frankly wearied by talking about it, because I don't give a about salaries. Is that my predetermined desire to defend the front office? If they don't care about having to write a check to the league and miss out on their luxury tax share, I damn sure don't.



I take issue with your contention that this is a 22-win team. They tanked hard. They held guys out with minor injuries, they let young players get a ton of burn, they funneled the ball to the corners on nearly every possession, and they didn't ask a single guy to play defense. Still it was sometimes a task getting lineups to lose games, and many of the losses were due to the shortened lineup running out of gas.

I don't know what else to tell you. I loved watching these guys play last year. I think there is a lot of promise on the roster, as well as a lot of chemistry. I think Victor will fit in perfectly with that. And the Spurs have a ton of cap flexibility and an assload of draft picks for when the right opportunity comes by. I don't see any need to that up just because some of the fans don't see the Spurs mentioned on ESPN enough. I certainly don't see any sure-fire improvements that are worthy of all this debate. Frankly, I'm relieved that we will have actual basketball to talk about for a ing change so we can let all this bickering die a well-deserved death.

Yeah I'm gonna let this topic die, but I'll leave you with one last parting retort...In the words of Charles Barkley, you are what your record says you are.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)

Maybe. Depends on your expectations compared to what the Spurs actually planned and what they think of the current roster. A lot of the ideas or improvement are lateral-ish and crash upon the rocks of the Spurs' saying "meh, we're going to see how our huge group of ridiculously young players we spent the last three years ac ulating develop with Wemby on the team." They already did a lot of the work you want them to do.

[spurraider21]

Maybe. Depends on your expectations compared to what the Spurs actually planned.

I guess. I was just expecting literally anything at all

[ChumpDumper]

I guess. I was just expecting literally anything at all

And you literally got things; you just don't like them. That's fair.

[Mr. Body]

Still unclear who these players are the Spurs missed out on.

[dbestpro]

I personally think the Spurs off season was spectacular. Every young player is going to get better on their own and because of Wemby. I really do not like the idea of signing big money contracts to middle of the road players or players on their way down. The youngbloods got this just like the Reds are doing in baseball. First, see what you got and fill in as needed come mid season .

[Mr. Body]

I personally think the Spurs off season was spectacular. Every young player is going to get better on their own and because of Wemby. I really do not like the idea of signing big money contracts to middle of the road players or players on their way down. The youngbloods got this just like the Reds are doing in baseball. First, see what you got and fill in as needed come mid season .

Yuuuuuup.

1. Don't take on bad contracts. In pretty much every case, that means more than one year.
2. Very unlikely to see a FA player who would improve even a bench position without paying too much.
3. Those players weren't there anyway.
4. Team has ~10 players between 19-23. Every one of them is already improving.
5. Keep the powder effing dry for when it's actually needed.

[slick'81]

We all know damn well spurs aren't building through fa. Itll be through trade or drafting that they find that 2nd star. Of course if wemby blows uo free agency might be looking better down the road

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Kinda but in a way that helped the roster. I know. Stratospheric stuff

link to the spurs draft board?

Sorry, that's not the only way trades work. If they trade an asset for more assets it's still a trade.

I know. Stratospheric stuff.

[spurraider21]

Sorry, that's not the only way trades work. If they trade an asset for more assets it's still a trade.

I know. Stratospheric stuff.

i know. i was looking for one that improved the roster.

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i know. i was looking for one that improved the roster.

And that is perfectly reasonable. We all get excited about the draft and about free agency. It seems like we have sent a lot of guys away so it's doubly frustrating. Seeing so much activity for recent Spurs players while the FO stands pat kind of sucks. There is a lot to be excited about with this roster though, and there will be a lot if opportunities going forward. I hope we get a lot of reason to be excited about summer league.

[DPG21920]

Maybe SA would have done some of that if not for Wemby. But Victor changes everything. Let's see who between SA and OKC has the best next decade.

If Wemby is who we think he is I expect Sa to be better. That’s not the point I’m making and a lucky ping pong ball doesn’t change the mentality I’m talking about tbh

[R. DeMurre]

Osman isn't a world beater, but I like him as a role player. He's got all of the characteristics you want in a bench guy: low TOs, not a ball stopper, good assist to TO ratio, not overly foul prone, not expensive. Certainly could be the 7th/8th man on a high quality team.

[slick'81]

Osman isn't a world beater, but I like him as a role player. He's got all of the characteristics you want in a bench guy: low TOs, not a ball stopper, good assist to TO ratio, not overly foul prone, not expensive. Certainly could be the 7th/8th man on a high quality team.

he wasn't terrible on those lebron teams

[ChumpDumper]

He had a few big scoring games against good teams last season. It's not bad having another potential threat from the arc.

[TekXX]

We're tanking again, this is not rocket science. Spurs are going to find Wemby his Manu and Tony thru the draft. God knows we can't get anyone to sign here even if we wanted to.

[ismael-robert]

People mad cause they spend all their free time posting paragraphs of "analysis" on here just for the Spurs to keep doing exact opposite and proving they have no knowledge of Spurs plans...meanwhile I keep telling yall sit back n enjoy the ride...and life

[BackHome]

We're tanking again, this is not rocket science. Spurs are going to find Wemby his Manu and Tony thru the draft. God knows we can't get anyone to sign here even if we wanted to.

The Tank Commanders are taking a much needed break we are reviewing all our options but as the saying goes "Success Breeds Confidence". Well right now we feeling pretty damn confident having just received the number 1 pick and selecting a generational talent WEMBY - So as they say when your shooting if your hot keep shooting until you don't make one...lol...2024 Number 1 Pick or Bust?

Just for Fun have doing the Sims on Tanakthon and out of 20 tries came away with 1st pick 4 times and the second 3 times, and all the remaining in the range of 6 to 8. In almost every mock it has us taking PG, DJ Wagner and Atlanta pick has us picking SG, Ja'Kobe Walter..

[Mr. Body]

He had a few big scoring games against good teams last season. It's not bad having another potential threat from the arc.

There were some really good takes on him in the Cavaliers subreddit. He's very inconsistent, they say, and can lost focus and assignments, but then pick up random steals. Sounds like he can go off some games, then disappear. They hope Pop can work on some of the edges. He's well liked.

[scott]

There is a completely acceptable position here for it to be okay that we are "seeing what we have" while still being skeptical that this FO will eventually do what it takes to push the chips in down the line. Right now, IMO, the FO has earned the benefit of the doubt. However, they will have to do something eventually. They have proven to be great sellers. Let's see how they do as buyers.

[TekXX]

There were some really good takes on him in the Cavaliers subreddit. He's very inconsistent, they say, and can lost focus and assignments, but then pick up random steals. Sounds like he can go off some games, then disappear. They hope Pop can work on some of the edges. He's well liked.

He'll fit in perfect with this team. Hopefully they can plan out which games they're gonna take the night off.

[ambchang]

I also couldn’t understand how a free agent hit her can’t sign a bunch of big name free agents.