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This 100%
And trading for Lillard would require assets and to that I say no, no (in Tony Montana's voice)
ah ok ok
This 100%
And trading for Lillard would require assets and to that I say no, no (in Tony Montana's voice)
I would love dame but we gotta see what we got first and what we need next year
Someone posted a Quote or rumor saying that Lollard wanted to come here only if we got another star, presumably harden. Obv much harder for the spurs to pull off
What are u 13? You just called him wise, that's a positive. Being mentally old and TIRED means frustrated, giving up in team n putting forth no effort or hungerway to try to save yourself from a horrible take
so if people say Wemby is wise beyond his years, doesn't that make him part of that group as well? Cause he's mentally old
I’ve had 3 days to think about my stance on Dame, and I’m still a hard pass tbh. If he were 5 years younger, I’d be all-in. But he’s not. He’s 33 years-old, and as history has repeatedly shown us with guys like Kobe, Harden, Iverson, D-Wade, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller, Manu, etc., that’s right around the age scoring guards start to really decline in production. MJ and Curry are sort of the only outliers here that come to mind, although Curry’s not quite what he once was either and MJ was declining too by age 34 (though both still elite for that age). But typically speaking, 32-33 is where scoring guards really start to drop off.
Dame played only 29 games the 2021-22 season due to abdominal and calf injuries (though it it would been closer to 40-45 games had they not purposely sat him last 10-15 games of the season or so to tank), and he missed a combined 31 games the 2 seasons prior with injuries. Despite the fact that he just had a career year scoring-wise (mostly because his team last year was trash so he averaged a career high 21 shot attempts/per, including 11 3-point attempts/per), Father Time is clearly catching up to him a bit. Now, it can be argued that his game will age better than most of the aforementioned players because of his elite 3-point shooting, similar to Curry. And you might be right. But he’s still going to be a player in decline over the next 4 years. And to give up one of Keldon or Vassell + all of that draft capital (including the TOR pick that could very well be a lottery pick best season) for a player in decline who’s going to be owed $63 Million when he’s 37 years old (un-tradable contract), sounds like a really bad idea, especially when we are nowhere near ready to compete for a Championship right now anyways. It doesn’t make sense tbh. By the time we’re ready to compete in 3–4 years, Dame will likely be a s of himself (see CP3 in PHX the past 2 seasons), yet he’d still be our highest paid player by far. Not to mention trading for him would completely take us out of the running for the stacked 2025 Free Agent class. No thanks tbh. Love Dame, I really do, but the age + timing just ain’t right.
I mean, give or take a minimum salary here or there, Dame/Nurk for Lowery/Herro works right? Then inclusion of Nurk mitigates some of the fact that MIA only can offer 2 FRPs.
Not sure why they’d need to include a 3rd team like the spurs. I’d imagine Blazers would welcome Lowery’s expiring.
Time to move on.
so Tatum and Ant are tired at 25 and 21Ant has been in the league for 3 years. Maybe Wemby will get tired after 3 years too
Just admit that what you said was stupid
Mentally tired yes, do u lack comprehension. You can see them give up when things aren't going their wayso Tatum and Ant are tired at 25 and 21
it's not really a stacked free agency class. Nephew(34), Paul George (35), LeGM (40), AD (32), Jrue Holiday (35), Ingram, CP3 (40), Brook Lopez (37), Brogdon (32)
It's basically Giannis (if he opts out), Donovan Mitc (if he opts out), OG Anounoby, Derrick White, Jamal Murray and Myles Turner you are left with and some of those guys will sign extensions
you must be a psychiatrist when you can recognize these things watching from your TV screen
You're right about defense. Jrue is much better than Dame on that end, and that's half the game.
None of these supposed epic FA classes ever materialize, and as you point out this one really isn't even that great. Saving up your coins for them is a fools errand.
I’d rather take my chances with Giannis or even an older PG on a discount in 2025 when we’re closer to competing and knowing what we have and what we need than paying a 36-37 year-old Dame $58M and $63M tbh. That way we keep all that draft capital to either draft young talent over the next couple years, potentially in the lottery, or move it for a different disgruntled player who’s much younger after we have a better feel for the roster. That’s my preference personally.
There’s a real chance Giannis wants out of MIL in 2 years. They have an aging core right now. Jrue will be 35 and Middleton will be 36 in 2025. Brook Lopez will be 37. I’d almost be more surprised if Giannis wanted to stick around at that point tbh, unless they win a le or two over the next couple seasons (which is possible).
Last edited by BatManu20; 07-03-2023 at 05:09 PM.
could be. But I think bringing somebody in via trade is more likely.
Well, I'm OK with Giannis.
Giannis won't hit free agency. They will extend him the year before
I think Herro is the issue here... Portland doesn't want him with Scoot and Simons on the roster. They need to find a team that'll take him and they want assets (picks) from that team. Right now, Bobby Marks on espn is pushing him to the nets and 2 more 1st's going to Portland. I really doubt Sean Marks would pay that and eventually i expect Portland to lower their price to a basket of 2nd's to avoid taking Herro.
Who knows, maybe Steve Kerr brings Steph with him when he takes over in a couple years tbh. 37 year-old Curry as the third option on a le contender would still be legit imo. Steph sorta feels like a warriors-lifer though aka Timmy, Kobe, Dirk, etc so not holding my breath.
I think it's the Spurs or Nets and no one wants to give up a first for Herro. My guess is the Spurs have already said no anyway.
I fell it very strange to not give a first for herro, maybe that's more on the guy than the basketball player
i'm with keith smith on this one
If we were out on Reaves (offering him something above MLE), then I imagine we're out on Herro at his deal unless we got huge assets to take I'm on. You can argue preferences on both of them, though I don't think there's a case that Herro is $8m a year better, let alone $20m a year better.
yeah i think herro is getting on more than he should. his contract isnt a bargain, but its probably fair market rate for him tbh. i think teams insisting they need to be compensated for taking him on are losing the plot. people are treating him like jordan poole, which i dont buy
i think reaves has been a better defender, but herro is more proven as a high volume player/scorer
herro has a longer track record of being good, too
Yeah, I've said it before and I'll say it again... Herro's contract isn't that bad. People here are talking about basically giving Devin the same deal, and IMO Herro > Devin.
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