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Nah, you don't want Miller anywhere around this team unless you're trading him. On a second pick salary, too, which gets really ugly.
"This car costs fifty thousand bucks. Of course it's a great car!"
Nah, you don't want Miller anywhere around this team unless you're trading him. On a second pick salary, too, which gets really ugly.
!! I would do it ,if the Hornets included a first round pick in the trade.
I agree with everyone that his shot looked bad. But he has good size, solid defense, good secondary passing. He needs a year in Austin working on his jumper, maybe even with some time handling the ball to see what he can do there.
As I said in the other thread: no.
The only scenario where the Spurs might have picked him is if they were picking sixth and he slid that far.
Agree. Seems like a great team guy, super aggressive, ready to play defense. Very smart passer. Just is not a good shooter. Honestly don't understand his basketball players can't shoot. I'm awful at basketball in every other way but I'm a decent to good shooter.
You think you are decent to good but try getting shots off cleanly and accurately against gleague compe ion and prepare to be surprised
Odd timing on this statement considering who the MVP is.
It’s not odd timing just because there’s been an outlier. Outliers always exist
otherwise we should stop taking first round players and only take people in the second round. That way we can get a jokic too
Should have taken Andre Jackson at 33 who is a better defender and finisher.
No. I'm a better shooter than many of those guys. Simple free throw percentage says so.
You wouldn't be able to shoot on an NBA floor.
You would be shocked how much more difficult it would be shooting against NBA caliber players than playing pick up games at the local gym.
He had a few moments that were definitely above average. Had some great defensive stands but does tend to gamble a little with his position to get an edge.
His vision is above average. Recognizes the floor very well. He used to play PG, so that makes sense. His passing ability might be his best attribute after his 1v1 defensive capabilities.
He charges into the lane like a bigger stronger keldon johnson. He gets to the rim though. If anyone stands in his way, they're going to feel it.
His shot couldn't have been worse.
For a 2nd rounder, I was happy with his potential showing.
Are you telling me we can't offer Champagnie for Luka?
They better send us picks for taking on that contract !
I wouldn’t trade Champagnie for Jokic. The only thing left to do is to plan the 2024 river parade.
Just rewatched sections of the game while finishing something up. Quick thoughts:
1. Miller couldn't stay in front of Champagnie on multiple possessions. Not at all. Doesn't bode well for the #2 pick.
2. Sidy didn't hit the box score a ton, but he was an effective defender and is in the right spot at the right times. Definitely not a bad start.
3. Wesley really wasn't that bad. Calls that "he's not a point guard" aren't really founded. He has good vision, but his passes can be slow or he forces things at time. Same as with his finishing - he's thinking too much and still learning. But he keeps making nifty plays and reads that are promising.
4. Barlow looks completely natural in this game. He and Champ were dominant, Champ as much because he was hitting from range and blowing by his man, Barlow because he just seemed effortless, like a six year vet among combine guys.
This game really didn't matter.
I became less and less impressed with Champ as time went on. He started taking a bunch of bad shots. It's bad form for a dude who just got a guaranteed contract to eat so many touches. Early on when he was just taking advantage of a confused defense, it was fine. But it's not surprising that the only player who got it going besides Champ and Barlow was Champ's backup. I think he showed a lot last year and should have his chance to climb as high as he can going forward. But I also think his style of play might not be nearly as valuable as his box score indicates. He's far more likely to be a fringe player than a star, and if he wants to make it as a role-player, he's going to have to find a balance he hasn't needed to during his time with the club so far.
I thought Barlow was awesome. I don't think his perimeter defense was as impressive as some attribute, as he has a lot of help and was facing guys who weren't equipped to exploit him, But as he continues to develop into a legit center prospect that mobility will help him stand out. I don't think he'd be nearly as successful switching out on NBA guards, but I do think he'll do well in hedging and recovering. Offensively, that mid-range shot is sort of a "shrug" situation. I guess it's nice he has a change-up, but being able to can shots from three is going to be the thing that changes his trajectory. We'll have to see as the summer goes on if he has that range. He showed nice handles a couple of times during this game, but he actually showed those last year and with OTE . Those skills were rudimentary for a forward. If he's going to be a center, they might be able to be polished into something special.
Cissoko was Miller's primary defenders both teams' starters were on the court. I don't know why Champ and Barlow seem to get the bulk of the credit. Sidy seems to mostly be a big strong body right now. As I've said in a different thread, he has the size to match up with most PFs, and that type of versatility could come in handy for a Spurs team that will likely have fluid postional designations for the immediate future. I found the guaranteed contract to be a bit of a head-scratcher. Definitely feels like a two-way guy.
In general, the overreactions to the summer league are ridiculous in a precious sort of way. No, Miller would be the Spurs' second-most important player if the team somehow acquired him. That he didn't start off well playing against a starting lineup that was almost exclusive made up of guys who were professional players last year doesn't mean anything. Tim didn't start his summer league career well either. Wemby might not do so either. People often will underrate how important a year in the league actually is for a prospect's development. It's not surprising that guys who've been through this before jumped all over a team trying to figure out their new centerpiece.
That Wesley didn't show well doesn't worry me. He showed well last year, and look what that did. I do wonder how he'll looking going forward as guys like Branham and Wemby join the lineup. Will less attention allow him to pick his spots? Or will he fall completely behind? If we can use the game to handicap anything right now it's the need to keep Devonte Graham in the fold until they can figure out who can contribute reliably to the PG position.
1. What is Champagnie's "style of play"? Shooting when open? Driving on close-outs? It's bizarre to think that a team that was clearly well-drilled was constantly upended by Julian Champagnie taking shots. Or, maybe they told him to put up shots whenever he had daylight. That's his role. Shooting. Right now he's third string behind Doug McDermott who... also shoots whenever he's open. Yet you want Champagnie to be setting up Jevonte McCoy, who will never see the inside of a Spurs jersey. Maybe get JC acclimated to what he's going to be doing next year?
2. Barlow definitely is nimble and effective switching on the perimeter. "Weren't equipped to exploit him"? Isn't that what Brandon Miller is supposed to be doing? Or are you confused and think Barlow is a guard? He smothered up Miller, who couldn't do anything against him. And... if he's going to be developing a three-pointer, doesn't he have to hit midrange shots first? Or do you think it's just rim running or threes? How else do you develop shots?
3. Brandon Miller was slow, inept at defense, could not break free from a 2nd round French guy or any other big squad guy switched on him. He went off on 2nd and 3rd string Summer League folk. Of course it's his first taste of NBA play but this is still the guy with that garishly bad NCAAT performace over three games. That he couldn't separate himself for shots and kept getting abused by Julian Champagnie aren't great signs. To me he's another Jabari Smith Jr. with worse at ude and maybe even worse defense.
Yeah, I don’t think it was a coincidence that Malaki was inactive, and Julian takes a ton of shots. More like the plan for the night. See what happens if he gets the defense’s attention and focus.
It’s not all that surprising Miller struggled. Top picks sometimes do in summer league. Charlotte has three roster players in Bouknight, Jones and McGowan, and they looked disinterested. It’s the NBA, Charlotte might dominate tonight. ��
The reason Mr. Body places such high value on a players summer league debut as it relates to how good they ultimately will be actually comes from the fact that Austin Reaves had a very good summer league debut, and look at him now
To me nothing will ever compare to Blake Griffin in Summer League. Man amongst boys. So much fun!
You're just making that up. The average temperature in 1978 was almost exactly the same as in 2022. As far as humidity and when the first cold front's are coming in compared to the late 70s I am certain you are just pulling that out of your ass. Only a gigantic weather nerd would keep that kind of info.
in typical Chinook hyperbolic (and long winded) fashion, he ridicules the hype about summer league play and then proceeds to give us a dissertation on SL play.
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