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    "As you know, low man wins."

    Lol, what the Dray. Yes, Sherman Douglas was better than Kareem.
    “Low man wins” is an axiom when it comes to things like leverage and center of gravity. Doesn’t mean shorter athletes are always better than taller ones.

    it’s like Marc Jackson’s “hand down man down” commentary. That doesn’t mean that keeping a low handle on the ball is bad. It’s referring to specific cir stances (in boxing, but he also references it when not contesting outside shots)

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    Doesn’t mean shorter athletes are always better than taller ones.
    That indeed would be a funny conclusion in basketball!

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    Offensively, luckily we are no longer in 90s era anymore with ridiculous big men like Shaq, D-Rob, TD, KG, Ewing, Hakeem, Sir Charles, Karl Malone etc.

    Wemby's height should be able to get easy lob and put back against current era of big men. The only big concern (defensively) would be against Joker, Giannis, Embiid and Zion.
    All players he more than likely won't be defending for at least a few seasons.

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    Pretty well known term in sports especially from those who teach.
    No, y'all trying to defense some utter horse .

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    “Low man wins” is an axiom when it comes to things like leverage and center of gravity. Doesn’t mean shorter athletes are always better than taller ones.

    it’s like Marc Jackson’s “hand down man down” commentary. That doesn’t mean that keeping a low handle on the ball is bad. It’s referring to specific cir stances (in boxing, but he also references it when not contesting outside shots)
    Draymond is talking out his ass because he's got a Napoleon complex in the NBA and you guys are diving through hoops to try to make it make sense. Low center of gravity is one thing, taking away a foot of height from Giannis or Jokic or Wemby is just so mindlessly stupid it's unimaginable. Draymond said something stupid.

    But keep trying, I guess?

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    Draymond is talking out his ass because he's got a Napoleon complex in the NBA and you guys are diving through hoops to try to make it make sense. Low center of gravity is one thing, taking away a foot of height from Giannis or Jokic or Wemby is just so mindlessly stupid it's unimaginable. Draymond said something stupid.

    But keep trying, I guess?
    if “low man wins” wasn’t a common sports expression with a known meaning I’d be more inclined to agree with you

    https://coachmahr.com/low-man-wins/

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    So if you have a strong base and can get up in wemby then you can actually effectively defend him? WOW

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    So if you have a strong base and can get up in wemby then you can actually effectively defend him? WOW
    Do they really think he's going to be posting up as his primary offense? Once he starts posterizing players on lobs, I think you'll see fewer players willing to body him and up get dunked on.

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    Draymond and PG are totally right. There's a reason you don't see centers driving past people. He mentions he's talking about a particular skill set which is the dribbling and ball control. Some of you were rightfully pointing out Wesley dribbles too high and loose. Well what do you think that means for a 7-5 guy trying to cross people over? "Low man wins" makes a lot of sense in that regard.

    The big thing Wemby has going for him is that he was already playing pro ball and while there will be an NBA adjustment, I don't think that strength is nearly as big a factor as speed and skill in that regard. Wemby has played against strong players already. He's had people try to dislodged him and what not. I think there will absolutely be an adjustment but I'm not to worried about how Wemby handles players who are very strong with a lower center of gravity.

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    No, y'all trying to defense some utter horse .
    Lol actually your analogy was horse , it’s basketball defense 101. It’s ok if you had to google the term.

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    if “low man wins” wasn’t a common sports expression with a known meaning I’d be more inclined to agree with you

    https://coachmahr.com/low-man-wins/
    Exactly and he's talking about times when having a low center of gravity is an advantage. People here just hate Draymond honestly.

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    Does it involve stomping on his chest or sticking his fingers in his eyes?

    Probably body slamming him in front of a ref and nothing gets called.

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    People don’t understand a low stance doesn’t just mean defending post up moves, a low stance allows a defender to cut off drives and many other things. Just because Wemby is tall doesn’t mean you stop using a low stance to defend.

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    Do they really think he's going to be posting up as his primary offense? Once he starts posterizing players on lobs, I think you'll see fewer players willing to body him and up get dunked on.

    It's actually the driving where his height will work against him. But I have confidence he has other tools that will make up for this.

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    Exactly and he's talking about times when having a low center of gravity is an advantage. People here just hate Draymond honestly.
    Yes, it made perfect sense.

    Don't know why Mr. Body had a hard time with it.

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    Draymond is right. Your only option to defend someone like wemby is to basically full court press his ass and dog him the entire way down the court. GL

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    I got no problem with the video- but i still DO hate those guys in it lol…

    what was NOT mentioned in the video or the thread so far is MORE IMPORTANT:

    the REFS!

    wemby will figure it out, but the elephant in the room IMO
    is ….

    are the refs/league going to “steffie” (dont breathe on him) wemby and protect him?
    or
    will they give him the spurs treatment and make him earn every single achievement/ point/ matchup?

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    Do they really think he's going to be posting up as his primary offense? Once he starts posterizing players on lobs, I think you'll see fewer players willing to body him and up get dunked on.
    There’s obviously a lot of risk defensively if you just try to press up on people all the time. Makes you susceptible to getting completely blown by with one hesitation move, fake, a good spin, etc. also means you get smothered by a good screen since you have less room to maneuver

    even the best defenders, if they’re 6’8, 6’9 or so who try to play press on wemby all game are going to give up a number of uncontested dunks throughout the game

    But what alternative do you have? You give him breathing room, and he can pull up right over you without worrying about a contest, and think about how much ground he can cover with two long strides and his wingspan. Can’t give him that runway.

    we know he’s gonna be a problem, but defenders are gonna have to try something. While he’s remarkably good at keeping the ball low while dribbling, that’s what nba defenders are likely going to test him with first. Force him to dribble through congestion

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    There’s obviously a lot of risk defensively if you just try to press up on people all the time. Makes you susceptible to getting completely blown by with one hesitation move, fake, a good spin, etc. also means you get smothered by a good screen since you have less room to maneuver

    even the best defenders, if they’re 6’8, 6’9 or so who try to play press on wemby all game are going to give up a number of uncontested dunks throughout the game

    But what alternative do you have? You give him breathing room, and he can pull up right over you without worrying about a contest, and think about how much ground he can cover with two long strides and his wingspan. Can’t give him that runway.

    we know he’s gonna be a problem, but defenders are gonna have to try something. While he’s remarkably good at keeping the ball low while dribbling, that’s what nba defenders are likely going to test him with first. Force him to dribble through congestion

    Like draymond said if he gets comfortable im his spots its over. I agree wemby's ball handling will be put to the test early

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    Exactly and he's talking about times when having a low center of gravity is an advantage. People here just hate Draymond honestly.
    The really funny thing is a majority of the draymond hate started when he started getting DPOY talk alongside Kawhi and people here started getting very defensive over it. Same reason kobe fans always hated Lebron

    Kawhi is since gone but also hated, yet the Raymond hate persists. It’s like when a couple is mad and they forgot what they were initially fighting about

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    The thing about wemby is that he can dribble by his man or even just shoot over him if he crowds him too much. His handle and ability to shoot outside will allow him to make a few mistakes on offence. Not to mention his gigantic strides just allows him to get to his spots much easier.

    I agree with most of what donkey said. Reasonable to me actually.

    One concern I have is how much space he takes on offence which could crowd the court and make cutting tougher for his teammates. But I likely overthought this.

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    Not every player will be as willing or able as Draymond to guard Wemby the way Draymond says he will. In fact, I think rather few will. Wemby will struggle against good defenders but he won't be up against one of those every single game.

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    Zach Collins is going to get in so many fake fights with goons like Draymond.

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    There’s obviously a lot of risk defensively if you just try to press up on people all the time. Makes you susceptible to getting completely blown by with one hesitation move, fake, a good spin, etc. also means you get smothered by a good screen since you have less room to maneuver

    even the best defenders, if they’re 6’8, 6’9 or so who try to play press on wemby all game are going to give up a number of uncontested dunks throughout the game

    But what alternative do you have? You give him breathing room, and he can pull up right over you without worrying about a contest, and think about how much ground he can cover with two long strides and his wingspan. Can’t give him that runway.

    we know he’s gonna be a problem, but defenders are gonna have to try something. While he’s remarkably good at keeping the ball low while dribbling, that’s what nba defenders are likely going to test him with first. Force him to dribble through congestion
    At 16, he was easily shooting right over the top of the reigning DPOY, Rudy Gobert. There is no contesting his jumper. Just no way to do it, at all.

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    At 16, he was easily shooting right over the top of the reigning DPOY, Rudy Gobert. There is no contesting his jumper. Just no way to do it, at all.
    If you are crowding him it’s a little tougher to bring the ball up without getting swiped on the way up. Unless it’s a turnaround which increases the degree of difficulty. Could also be susceptible to rip throughs

    defenders have to pick their poison

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