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Maybe. The point is, Miami can take Lillard and Simmons if they have to.
Nobody wants Robinson. Nobody wants Herro. Miami doesn’t have the resources to pay to get rid of them, and pay for Dame. I think Portland is past the point of giving a about what Dame wants. It was a complete move to wait this long to drop his demand.
Maybe. The point is, Miami can take Lillard and Simmons if they have to.
Miami needs to trade OKC their unprotected 2024 FRP for the Heat’s 2025 lottery protected pick that OKC owns. Then Miami can trade their own 2026, 2028, and 2030 picks along with 2025, 2027, and 2029 pick swaps in order to increase draft capital they can use to make this trade work. Even better would be if OKC would trade Miami’s 2025 pick back for a Heat player. That would free up an additional FRP for the Heat.
No, Simmons goes to blazers with more picks from nets.
…who have already said they’re not paying to get rid of him. His final 2 years are cheaper than FVVs, so they’ll it eat ‘em rather than surrender FRPs
Are the Spurs in those 5 ?
Really wish the spurs got into taking on Tyler Herro, but it just doesn’t make sense right now
Why would you want Herro?
He's a good player, but his 120/4 deal just kicked in.
Yeah, Spurs have the cap space, but he's just another zero defense, tunnel vision, guard scorer in the league.
And Heat sees him as an asset that should net them a solid return in Lillard trade, while the rest of the league sees him as a more or less neutral asset. Yeah, he'd maybe be worth a pick, but noone is giving up three picks for Herro.
If they salary dumped him, why not, but I'm not giving up at least two picks for a glorified role player on such big contract.
Not sure if posted - but I wonder if the Blazers drafting Scoot was the reason that Lillard maybe read the writing on the wall and decided to move on?
I like the fit with Wemby, spurs will need shooting and guys who aren’t afraid of the moment imo. Will see how it plays out but look at the extension Desmond Bane just got compared to Herro, I think they’re close to the same level.
I mean I guess they loom but they're probably not going to do anything.
They might value Herro, but i dont think there's anyway they take him and Nurkic
Thats a lot of money to take on. Full Herro contract and Nurkic .... why would we want that? Maybe if they expired this year. But I think Nurkic has 3 years left? Herro has 120M/4 years left?
I doubt that. Miami doesn't even value him, and they're a team that values defense like us. I heard stuff about him being quiet shopped last year.
Getting involved in something like this is literally the opposite of what the Spurs have said they're doing this summer. Not directed particularly at you, mo, but peeps need to really process that when they set their expectations for the summer.
herro isnt really a bargain right now, but his contract probably is about market rate for his services. its not really the type of contract that feels like a burden, the same way jordan poole would. i dont think a team should expect compensation to absorb herro. but if you're expected to pile nurkic on top of that, yeah...
OTOH if that provides an outlet to replace the corpse of Birch with a center that could actually log some productive minutes, dont think it would take too much
assuming the team had a budget above the cap floor, of course
I’ve said it a bunch but I want Herro, but if the spurs are interested in him, I wonder if it’s because they don’t want to pay Dev what he wants
I agree. Think a lot of this is just speculation because we’re the only team with considerable cap space at this point. I mean if it’s a home run deal where we get considerable compensation for getting Herro then sure but I don’t see that happening. Adding Nurkic makes it even less likely because at that point we’d be adding considerable payroll for the next several years which seems like the opposite of what the FO wants right now.
i feel like herro would really be branham's replacement more so than vassell's, as a score-first combo guard. the spurs tried to play branham at point quite a bit last year, and we've seen herro play a little bit of that role as well.
herro is a much better outside shooter than branham. herro isnt much at all defensively, but branham was... abysmal defensively.
I knew it was the second they drafted Scoot. I'm sure he did too. The Blazers were daring him to ask for a trade so they wouldn't look like the bad guys.
Spurs are every teams/free agents favorite stalking horse to drive up price/interest. How many times have players ie even Lebron and Iguodala gone on about the culture the coach and maybe being a destination when they had zero interest in going to San Antonio? Now if the Heat can't be done regardless of three team whatever and Dame wants to come here, awesome but I have not seen any trade possibility that we help facilitate him going to the Heat that intrigues me at all.
Whoever will be the third team in a Lillard to Miami trade, will be in a strong place during trade talks. Both Miami and Portland need to do that trade.
I don't like Herro for the Spurs. There are huge question marks about his character and his defense. If Spurs want him, the max they should offer if Graham + Birch. Adding a pick (even the Charlotte pick) would be too much.
0 chance the spurs will facilitate this trade if they have to take back either Herro/Nurkic. keep dreaming boys
Agree with all this, except I'm completely out on Herro.
The Lillard trade could be as many as 5 teams. OKC-Miami still haven't officially concluded their Oladipo business. So that deal could become part of a broader transactions.
Herro to the Knicks or Nets makes sense to me. Between Knicks (Fournier), Nets (Simmons), Heat (Lowry, Herro, Robinson?), and Blazers (Nurkic), they are lots of bad salaries that could need to find a new home in a cap dump.
In addition to picks, I do hope the Spurs are able to consolidate some bad short term salary and ship it to other teams. That can't be Osman due to non-aggregation restrictions, but Birch and Graham give us 19M of outbound to play with. I'm not sure where our cap room officially sits. If no one has formally signed yet (Jones, Champagnie) we might actually have 25-30M.
The limiting factor is that there aren't many FRPs available from Miami, and Herro probably doesn't command more than 2 FRPs. It's hard to see how Miami both compensates Portland at their asking price and the Spurs are compensated for taking back one or more terrible contracts.
If picks are limited, this may give Spurs leverage with regard to protections.
Clowney and Whitehead remain unsigned, so either could be included in a trade. Perhaps I'm reading the tea leaves incorrectly, but this signals to me that the Nets are at the discussion table.
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Have we officially concluded our 3 way trade with Miami and the Cavs? Surprised spurs haven’t announced anything on their Twitter/Instagram account
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