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    You're just making that up. The average temperature in 1978 was almost exactly the same as in 2022. As far as humidity and when the first cold front's are coming in compared to the late 70s I am certain you are just pulling that out of your ass. Only a gigantic weather nerd would keep that kind of info.
    Summers are hotter now in San Antonio. More 100 degree days now than in the 1970s.

    anyway summers are brutal in San Antonio at any time.

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    You're just making that up. The average temperature in 1978 was almost exactly the same as in 2022. As far as humidity and when the first cold front's are coming in compared to the late 70s I am certain you are just pulling that out of your ass. Only a gigantic weather nerd would keep that kind of info.
    June 1978 had 5 days over 95 degrees. The first cold front came September 22. Things are a little different now.

    You’re touchy about it, probably for ideological reasons. You probably think I want to force you to eat bugs or something.

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    in typical Chinook hyperbolic (and long winded) fashion, he ridicules the hype about summer league play and then proceeds to give us a dissertation on SL play.
    I love summer league. I've said for years it's my favorite time of the NBA season. I'm crazy happy that there's basketball right now. But no, these games don't reveal who the impact players of the real season are. At best, they are where role-players can show a bit more ceiling than they normally can.

    Also, you need to look up the definition of hyperbolic. A post talking about how something isn't as impressive at it might seem is literally the opposite.

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    I love summer league. I've said for years it's my favorite time of the NBA season. I'm crazy happy that there's basketball right now. But no, these games don't reveal who the impact players of the real season are. At best, they are where role-players can show a bit more ceiling than they normally can.

    Also, you need to look up the definition of hyperbolic. A post talking about how something isn't as impressive at it might seem is literally the opposite.
    i guess you missed the irony

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    1. What is Champagnie's "style of play"? Shooting when open? Driving on close-outs? It's bizarre to think that a team that was clearly well-drilled was constantly upended by Julian Champagnie taking shots. Or, maybe they told him to put up shots whenever he had daylight. That's his role. Shooting. Right now he's third string behind Doug McDermott who... also shoots whenever he's open. Yet you want Champagnie to be setting up Jevonte McCoy, who will never see the inside of a Spurs jersey. Maybe get JC acclimated to what he's going to be doing next year?
    Shooting whenever you can is not anyone's standard of a good offense. You're not wrong that teams can often benefit from a microwave guy coming in and getting points. There's a reason that role tends to be a bench scorer who doesn't play a ton of minutes. When the main scorers are on the bench, it's cool to have a guy come in and get 10 points really quickly and keep the pressure on the defense going. Many 6MotY winners fall into that archetype. But a huge reason why they're sixth men is because that aggression takes away shots from possibly better players. I think you understand this concept when criticizing the potential guards (not Reaves, so no need to bring that up) or other offense-first players the team had a chance to bring in. Champ wasn't being McDermott on Monday. Doug is neither an outlet shooter nor a first option. Champ was taking a ton of early shots in a "good enough" type situation rather than moving the ball. In the first half, Champ was taking advantage of a discombobulated defense and getting a lot of good looks. In the second half, he wasn't getting the same looks but still kept taking shots at the same clip. That's why I went from being really impressed with him to being less so. What would've been much better would be seeing was him leveraging the extra attention Charlotte was paying to him to get others the ball. Instead, he clanked way more shots. Was that a major blow against his esteem on the team? No. Did it dull what was a very impressive start in my mind? Yes.

    2. Barlow definitely is nimble and effective switching on the perimeter. "Weren't equipped to exploit him"? Isn't that what Brandon Miller is supposed to be doing? Or are you confused and think Barlow is a guard? He smothered up Miller, who couldn't do anything against him. And... if he's going to be developing a three-pointer, doesn't he have to hit midrange shots first? Or do you think it's just rim running or threes? How else do you develop shots?
    As I said before, Cissoko was Miller's main defender and deserves a ton of credit. Barlow was good -- in my mind he was far and away the most impressive player on the floor. I think his mobility from a help perspective is going to translate very well. Do I think he's going to have as much success containing experienced NBA perimeter forwards as he did against Miller in his first game? No. There were times that Barlow gave up leverage as he moved to stay with his man. A more savvy opponent would've recognized that and gone at him. In the summer league, guys don't know each other as well, and they won't know where their teammates are or necessarily know how much help to give. The Spurs were very aggressive in their help on the perimeter, which also helped Barlow contain his man. That worked because the Hornets didn't have the wherewithal to move the ball and punish the overhelping. The good news is Barlow isn't going to be expected to actually lock down wings and guards in the NBA. He just has to do enough to not give up a high-percentage shot or fouls. I do think he can do that. That's why I'm not actually criticizing Barlow's performance as much as contextualizing it.

    3. Brandon Miller was slow, inept at defense, could not break free from a 2nd round French guy or any other big squad guy switched on him. He went off on 2nd and 3rd string Summer League folk. Of course it's his first taste of NBA play but this is still the guy with that garishly bad NCAAT performace over three games. That he couldn't separate himself for shots and kept getting abused by Julian Champagnie aren't great signs. To me he's another Jabari Smith Jr. with worse at ude and maybe even worse defense.
    You can have your opinion on Miller. I thought he was fine. I think Smith will also be fine. Of course, guys bust. Smith should still be a very good role-player once he develops, though I think he'll probably just "flash" sometimes rather than fully becoming a star. Like Wiggins now. Miller, I'll have to see him more. I do think he shouldn't be mainly on the ball. Charlotte probably did that for ceiling and due to a lack of talent around him. I expect in the main squad, he'll be a secondary creator at the most. He can shoot. That was apparent even on Monday. I think he'll fit in when he has guys like Rozier and Ball to take attention. I liked how he played in terms of his effort, even though it was clear he was unsure of what he needed to do on the court. His lack of defensive chemistry with his teammates was glaring. He overhelped a couple of times and definitely expected help when none was forth coming. Those are things that should be ironed out with experience.

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    yeah, a ton of miller's production at alabama came off catch and shoot situations, or just a lot of pull-up 3's. as much as he has some ball handling ability, him being an offensive initiator off the dribble wasnt his big recipe to success in college, nor would i expect him to talk into the NBA and suddenly be a stud that way.

    they gave him that role in the SL debut and it didnt go very well. but that also wont be his role as a rookie on a team with Lamelo orchestrating the offense. miller should be much more comfortable in that setting, at least offensively

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    yeah, a ton of miller's production at alabama came off catch and shoot situations, or just a lot of pull-up 3's. as much as he has some ball handling ability, him being an offensive initiator off the dribble wasnt his big recipe to success in college, nor would i expect him to talk into the NBA and suddenly be a stud that way.

    they gave him that role in the SL debut and it didnt go very well. but that also wont be his role as a rookie on a team with Lamelo orchestrating the offense. miller should be much more comfortable in that setting, at least offensively
    I expect Scoot will be the much better player. Charlotte blew that pick.

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    I expect Scoot will be the much better player. Charlotte blew that pick.
    i agree. very nearsighted thinking, but miller does seamlessly fit with their roster better than scoot would.

    i think they probably had scoot/miller a lot closer in their evaluations than i did, and allowed the "fit" aspect to be the tiebreaker. whereas i think the talent gap was wide enough where i wouldnt consider positional fit at all when making that pick

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    I was an early doubter of Miller in the pre draft process, as I was with Jabari last year. I knew that the only way he would look “good” would be if the team that drafts him force feeds him the ball. Otherwise, he’s not really excellent at anything

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    Brandon Miller is coming back from a serious mono. It's something that should be considered when looking at what he did in that game.

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    im watching this game again

    some takeaways

    Champagne and Branhan shall be a tremendous second team wing set for our magnificent Spurs

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    in the matter of smoothness, Champagne has some Sean Elliott in him

    what a find really !!! incredible!!!

    he is in the right place at the right time

    i think Champagne could play with the legendary 2014 Spurs

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    Champagne can do EVERYTHING offensively

    omg

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    Blake Wesley can play PG but it is not his natural position

    so it would be interesting to see how they develop him

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