Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap

[Joseph Kony]

crying over blowing 2nd rounders

Good job by Wright

[timvp]

Just count me as a person who'd prefer a protected first over an unprotected swap.

Hard disagree. Who would rather have that Charlotte pick instead of that Hawks swap? It would have be super lightly protected to be close to the same value, IMO.

Unprotected firsts are the gold standard of trade assets. Unprotected swaps aren't quite as good but they're damn good in their own right.

Seconds have such a low hit rate that you'd come out ahead trading like ten second round picks for an unprotected pick swap.

Trading four second rounders for Bullock and an unprotected first round pick swap is still a ground slam.

[exstatic]

Players like Osman and Bullock can still be used to facilitate the Harden and Lillard trades. Some of those teams will like to add these type of players

Or at the deadline.b

[tonight...you]

It’s not too much when you have 20 of them and literally HAVE to consolidate them at some point. It’s like pulling $4 out of your wallet,and rolling the dice for $1,000.

I don't get people not getting this.
Forgive the double neg.

[Mr. Body]

It’s not too much when you have 20 of them and literally HAVE to consolidate them at some point. It’s like pulling $4 out of your wallet,and rolling the dice for $1,000.

I'm really okay with getting rid of some of them, that's cool. Again, I'm just trying to make sense of the overall deal. Anyway, Tatum and Brown are, what, in their prime seven years from now? Actually... they're 25 and 26, so will be starting a possible decline, not to mention the cap problems the team will have in the meantime.

Now... onto Bullock. I guess he's fine as a platoon guy if they keep him. I'm not sure how valuable expiring contracts are for us anymore, but we'll see.

[timvp]

It's confusing to me. These two teams needed the Spurs to do this deal. Bullock isn't much of a player, so it seems like SAS thought taking on salary to help these teams + a possibility of moving up some in the draft seven years from now is worth four SRPs?

It seems like they gave in too much.

The Spurs gave up too much? Second rounders for an unprotected swap? Huh?

[NASpurs]

Didn't take long to break out the names. Must have hit a nerve...
So no, 2030 doesn't exist to you.

Right on.

No it's just explaining myself because I was laughing at the year. Probably just keep whatever little comment to yourself next time.

[mo7888]

Spurs fans complain when trading for second round picks. Spurs fans complain when trading away second round picks.

It was a great deal without a doubt. If we only had 4 future 2nds to work with and have them all away then maybe the naysayers would have a point, but we the haul we have converting some into swaps is a smart way of playing the odds. Its a chess over checkers sort of move.

[tonight...you]

No it's just explaining myself because I was laughing at the year. Probably just keep whatever little comment to yourself next time.

You do that too, with your little 2030 rant that pretty much nobody cares about from you.

Lol, this guy using the naming game to "explain himself".

[Chinook]

Either

1) people believe the Spurs could have drafted nice players with those seconds

or

2) they could have traded those seconds for something better

anyone who believes either of these are dumb tbh

1) We don't know which seconds those are going to end up being. I mentioned that the swap has more value than it direct conveyance in 2030. But if the Spurs bypass those earlier opportunities to cash in on it and end up getting nothing, it wouldn't be hard for any of those seconds to beat it.

2) Four seconds is a bundle that can get key role-players at the deadline. A future Spurs team might end up making such a move. They don't need these particular seconds to do it, which is just one of the reasons why this isn't a big deal. But yes I do think an important role-player during a contending run is more valuable than a future swap with one of the few teams that also has a young superstar on its roster.

I do think people are underselling Bullock. Rather than worrying about trading him, Bullock can help the team this year. He's fourth mid-sized expiring contract (not counting Graham), and because SA is under the cap, he can be aggregated immediately. There are teams that would've taken him for free if they could. The seconds for the swap is Dallas turning theoretical value into currency, some of which they paid to Boston.

[DAF86]

Has he done anything in an nba regular season for a non tanking team?

He might be great, but Bullock is good insurance in case he isn't

he played 15 regular season games for us and then 1 summer league game

thats not really proven by any standard

Sochan, McDermott, Vassell at the 3. Choose one. Even if it is me playing SF, you have to trade Keldon in a hearbeat if there's a good trade to be had for the Spurs.

[mo7888]

I'm really okay with getting rid of some of them, that's cool. Again, I'm just trying to make sense of the overall deal. Anyway, Tatum and Brown are, what, in their prime seven years from now? Actually... they're 25 and 26, so will be starting a possible decline, not to mention the cap problems the team will have in the meantime.

Now... onto Bullock. I guess he's fine as a platoon guy if they keep him. I'm not sure how valuable expiring contracts are for us anymore, but we'll see.

Isn't the swap with Dallas?

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs gave up too much? Second rounders for an unprotected swap? Huh?

I'm not huge on swaps, but that's not really what I'm getting at. I'm not sure how the trade as a whole shakes out the way it is. And, yeah, I'm not sure why the Spurs had to throw in four seconds to facilitate a trade for two other teams. They're taking on 10 million of basically useless salary to grease the wheels for Dallas. I guess I see it, and then Boston gets a decent exception. I don't know why Dallas gets two seconds from the Spurs and it still feels like the Spurs are paying for everyone's dinner.

[DAF86]

Hard disagree. Who would rather have that Charlotte pick instead of that Hawks swap? It would have be super lightly protected to be close to the same value, IMO.

Unprotected firsts are the gold standard of trade assets. Unprotected swaps aren't quite as good but they're damn good in their own right.

Seconds have such a low hit rate that you'd come out ahead trading like ten second round picks for an unprotected pick swap.

Trading four second rounders for Bullock and an unprotected first round pick swap is still a ground slam.

Would that be at Roland Barros?

[Mugen]

Who gives a about 2nd rounders when they have like 30 left?

[Mr. Body]

Isn't the swap with Dallas?

Aaaahhhh.

Okay, nevermind all the crap I've been saying. Now I'm not sure why we sent two seconds to Boston.

[RedAzSa]

It's interesting that they're acquiring swaps in 2-year increments (2026, 2028, 2030). That would boost the value of a big trade using their own picks those years. They could also be posturing to trade away their picks in the odd years and have more valuable opportunities in between.

[mo7888]

Aaaahhhh.

Okay, nevermind all the crap I've been saying. Now I'm not sure why we sent two seconds to Boston.

[CGD]

Reminder: Luka will be an UFA in 2027. If he bolts that team is screwed royally.

[timvp]

If someone told me the Spurs could consolidated cap space and second round draft picks into a future unprotected first round pick swap, I would have scoffed.

And 2030 pick from the Mavs? Damn, that sounds juicy. I don't know if Luka is in the NBA in seven years if he keeps trying to play at 280 pounds. Kyrie will have burned his final NBA bridge long before then.

[BacktoBasics]

If someone told me the Spurs could consolidated cap space and second round draft picks into a future unprotected first round pick swap, I would have scoffed.

And 2030 pick from the Mavs? Damn, that sounds juicy. I don't know if Luka is in the NBA in seven years if he keeps trying to play at 280 pounds. Kyrie will have burned his final NBA bridge long before then.

Have we confirmed that it’s a 1st round swap? Brilliant move if true.

[Dirk-41-21-1]

From a Mavs fan thank you my Texas brothers. Thanks for helping the Mavs get better. We need to win with luka and kyrie. Y’all can win in 2032

[timvp]

Have we confirmed that it’s a 1st round swap? Brilliant move if true.

I haven't confirmed it but it has to be, right? The Spurs would't be trading away second round picks for a second round pick.

[Robz4000]

Hard disagree. Who would rather have that Charlotte pick instead of that Hawks swap? It would have be super lightly protected to be close to the same value, IMO.

Unprotected firsts are the gold standard of trade assets. Unprotected swaps aren't quite as good but they're damn good in their own right.

Seconds have such a low hit rate that you'd come out ahead trading like ten second round picks for an unprotected pick swap.

Trading four second rounders for Bullock and an unprotected first round pick swap is still a ground slam.

A ground slam sounds like an out imo.

[timvp]

A ground slam sounds like an out imo.

I'll leave it.