Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap

[Chinook]

i think he's talking about how the spurs can now offer something better than their own 2030 unprotected pick in the search for a better star. he identified an unprotected swapped pick as one of the few single assets with more value than your own protected pick

And I think that's true, and I'm probably overlooking the fact that he's talking to a lot of different people rather than just continuing the conversation we're having. As I said, swaps are good. But a fairly 2029 protected pick (from a different team, obviously) would also go down real easy.

[spurraider21]

Yeah pretty ridiculous to get an unprotected swap so cheap. The last one was still top 1 protected and cost the Spurs Derrick White.

spurs also got a 2022 first and josh richardson in that deal (langford too but who cares). richardson then proceeded to net us Graham and 4 SRPs. and we just sent out some SRPs to get this swap

[timvp]

timvp's bad wording all over this thread tbh

My apologies, my guys. Posting during breaks at a summer league game with bad internet is not recommended, tbh.

[timvp]

Did we figure out how many seconds the Spurs gave up? It sounds like the seconds the Celtics got were from the Mavs.

[CGD]

Did we figure out how many seconds the Spurs gave up? It sounds like the seconds the Celtics got were from the Mavs.

Lol, all this bickering here and turns out the Spurs only gave up 2 SRPs??

[exstatic]

I never said it didn't have much value. I think it has plenty of value. I just think that unprotected picks have significantly more value and picks with some level of protection have more value. I've said over and over that this was a good trade. It being a swap didn't change that. Giving up the seconds meant the Spurs could "lose" the trade. But the downside is pretty small, especially with Bullock having some resale value.

We agree on the first, but I’m with LJ that unprotected swaps have more value than most protected picks, outside maybe top 4 only protection. I’d take our swaps over any of our protected picks, even Toronto’s. If Boston, Atlanta, or Dallas draw into the top 4, we’re in clover. If Toronto does, they keep the pick and ultimately we might get some of our SRPs back instead of a first.

[Seventyniner]

Did we figure out how many seconds the Spurs gave up? It sounds like the seconds the Celtics got were from the Mavs.

That can only mean that all four seconds came from the Spurs. Unless something strange happened like Boston and Dallas each trading a second to the other?

[timvp]

That can only mean that all four seconds came from the Spurs. Unless something strange happened like Boston and Dallas each trading a second to the other?

I'm not in a position to be able to check if it's accurate but someone just told me the Celtics got two picks from the Mavs.

[Darkwaters]

Why the are people crying about losing seconds? Jesus Christ

Seriously. Weren't people complaining that we had too many seconds?

[scott]

In a vacuum, future FRPs would be valued like this:

1. Unprotected FRP attached to an unprotected Swap - OR a "Better of" Unprotected Pick A and Unprotected Pick B (...C, D, etc). These are effectively the same thing
2. Unprotected FRP
3. Unprotected Swap

Where you rank protected picks all depends on the timing and situation. Any unprotected pick swap is going to be better than the CHA pick, for example. But a DEN 2024 unprotected pick swap is not going to be better than the TOR pick.

[DPG21920]

Sure...but that wasn't the comparison he was trying to make

That’s why I asked. I thought he said pick swap rate occurrence that’s more valuable than actual pick

[Marcus Bryant]

Keep those picks coming.

[DPG21920]

Did we figure out how many seconds the Spurs gave up? It sounds like the seconds the Celtics got were from the Mavs.

Mavs got 2 picks too though and Bos got 2 - so why bother having Mavs give up 2 2nds just to get 2 from SA?

[Seventyniner]

I'm not in a position to be able to check if it's accurate but someone just told me the Celtics got two picks from the Mavs.

That's odd. I guess your source and Woj could both be right if the Spurs sent two seconds to the Mavs and then the Mavs sent two different seconds to the Celtics. I doubt the Celtics sent any seconds out.

[scott]

Mavs got 2 picks too though and Bos got 2 - so why bother having Mavs give up 2 2nds just to get 2 from SA?

Only possibility I can think of is that Dallas sends Boston two far out seconds, and SA sends Dallas two near term seconds. That would be a slight value upgrade for Dallas.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not in a position to be able to check if it's accurate but someone just told me the Celtics got two picks from the Mavs.

I heard they don't have any snds to trade but I see 2025 and 2030 available.

[Mr. Body]

But it seems a little strange if Dal sent Bos two picks and Sas sent Dal two picks. More likely I think is Sas sending four picks to Dal and Dal sending two of those to Bos.

[CGD]

I'm not in a position to be able to check if it's accurate but someone just told me the Celtics got two picks from the Mavs.

This makes sense to me. Dallas needed the trade option in order to retain the MLE for Thyblle. Boston knew this and expected to be compensated, and told them if not go ahead try your luck with a RFA offer sheet. Small cost to pay to also land Thybulle.

Spurs, in turn, essentially used 2SRPs to upgrade their picks, while also sending out "something" which is required to make the deal legal.

[Uriel]

It's 2030. The Spurs just won their 5th championship in a row with Victor Wembanyama. The Mavs miss the playoffs for the third straight season but somehow manage to win the draft lottery. And the Spurs exercise their pick swap from a long forgotten trade that happened 7 years ago and secure the rights to the #1 overall pick

[Dex]

If we really got this for 2 second-round picks then somebody on the other side didn't read the Terms & Conditions

[Cry Havoc]

The Spurs gave up too much? Second rounders for an unprotected swap? Huh?

The Spurs could flip Cedi for two firsts and this board would suddenly be talking him up like he's the 1B to Wemby just to have something to whine about.

You'd think there'd be a bit more positivity around here considering who we just landed in the draft, but nah. Let's be doomers over a couple of 2nds that, if the Spurs kept, every single person talking them up would be laying into the Spurs FO about taking garbage when they actually used those picks anyway.

[spurraider21]

Tre Jones is the only SRP to have cracked the spurs rotation in well over a decade. these SRPs are next to meaningless tbh

[baseline bum]

Glad to be wrong about Wright. He has set this team up with a massive war chest to go out and get that second star in a year or two if Wemby becomes the player scouts and GMs are expecting him to be. And in the worst case that he busts they have a ton of good picks to attempt an OKC style rebuild.

[Darkwaters]

It's 2030. The Spurs just won their 5th championship in a row with Victor Wembanyama. The Mavs miss the playoffs for the third straight season but somehow manage to win the draft lottery. And the Spurs exercise their pick swap from a long forgotten trade that happened 7 years ago and secure the rights to the #1 overall pick

You had me at "5th straight championship"

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs could end up with 7 lottery picks over the next 7 drafts. Whether they keep all seems doubtful.

I guess ideally at least a second and/or third star emerges from the current roster and you are able to keep the picks, and of course those picks become lotto picks. Then you are adding a lottery pick to a playoff team year after year.