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If this is a FRP swap for 2030 then I'm ecstatic.
Osman + Bullock + Graham + Birch
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Tyler Herro
100% in for anything that brings Tyler Herro
If this is a FRP swap for 2030 then I'm ecstatic.
What is the history of 1st Round draft pick swaps? (Just asking those who know because I really don't. What are the really good ones?)
This year everyone (including me) thought that the playoff-bound Pelicans had a great pick swap with the lottery-bound Lakers. Of course, the Pelicans' pick swap turned out to be literally worthless.
If we can't predict what will happen a few months in the future (like before this season), what about seven years into the future?
The only thing that can definitely be said about this trade is that someone lost (and someone gained) some 2nd Round picks.
Spurs should go after Luka when he become free agent just to up the value of the pick swap
According to an ESPN posting on Facebook, the seconds the Celtics are getting are supposedly in 2024, 2025 and 2028. The Spurs have a combined 11 picks in those drafts. The Mavericks only have their 2025 second, but they can't trade that until after the fate of the first they owe to the Knicks is settled. If the post was true, the Spurs gave each of those three picks along with perhaps a fourth pick from one of those years. Dallas basically bought as many seconds as they could without giving up a first outright and then traded all or most of them to Boston to complete this trade. The actual breakdown on what cost what is unclear. The swap is paying for both the seconds and for the trade exception.
This is going to be a consequence of the second-rounder spending spree we saw last year. Teams are becoming illiquid on those picks to use to facilitate deals. With the possible exception of the trades that happened between OKC, Denver and Indy, the Spurs might be getting a jump on this new opportunity of selling those picks back to teams like Dallas and Boston who want to continue to try to trade for vets without dumping all of their first-rounders. I don't necessarily know how much more value the market has for these sell-back moves, but it's a shrewd way to capitalize on these second-rounders when the team isn't going to want to use them in win-now trades or to draft players themselves.
Bullock fell off a cliff bigtime last year...
Can anyone ELI5 this trade for me please?
thats fine. any value he brings as a player is icing. we got a nice unprotected pick swap and he's an expiring deal anyway
if he plays just well enough for some contender to throw out 1-2 SRPs for him, thats a huge win. if he doesnt and is just a $10mil expiring deal for us, thats fine too
the biggest one is definitely the celtics in 2017. they had a pick swap with the nets. that ended up winning the lottery and boston moved up from #27 to #1 overall. they then traded back with philly to #3 and selected tatum while the sixers moved up for Fultz
This is spitballing from memory: From what I see, the swaps usually don't exist in a vacuum. They're often something that gets added to a trade by teams who are limited in their available draft picks by the Stepien rule. That usually means some buyer is offering them to a rebuilding team. It turns out that most teams take more than a handful of years to contend after blowing it up, and most contenders don't immediately fall apart. So most swaps I can recall haven't ended up mattering. The Clippers did get their pick swapped last year, but that was assumed before the trade was made. OKC owned the primary swap and didn't capitalize. 2017 had two executed swaps that were traded for each other. Boston got Brooklyn's pick (first-overall) and Philly got Sacramento's pick (third-overall). That was the year of the Tatum/Fultz trade. We all know about the tremendous short-sightedness of the Billy King trade. The Vlade trade with Hinkie was even weirder, as the Kings gave up two swaps and an eventually unprotected first to just clear some cap space. That seems impossible today, and maybe this Dallas deal is the closet thing we'll see to that.
Reggie Bullock is a lot like Danny Green as a player
As I mentioned in the post right after yours, Philly's pick was also swapped. They actually earned the fifth pick that year and would've never been in a position to make that trade in the first place if not for Vlade thinking he could make Sacramento a free-agent destination.
Wright can play boyssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Would have be nice to have Grant Williams at that price
For about half of last season it looked like the pelicans were gonna get a nice swap with LAL
That fits the latest I heard. But supposedly that 2025 second round pick is a swap and not an outright second.
Hopefully we get clarity at some point tonight, tbh.
Can the Spurs do anything with all of these expiring deals that would be worth it before the season? That’s what Im watching. The fact they can be aggregated is very nice. Spurs obviously don’t need really any of these guys especially with Doug/Graham having head starts in the system. All 3 of Cedi+Bullock+Stevens all expendable and obviously Khem is as well.
Those 4 are 24M - add Graham and that’s 36M in salaries, all expiring totally except Graham who has like 2.5M guaranteed only next year.
I hate to even put this out in the world… but those 5 almost equals a Ben Simmons. Yuck! But for 2 unprotected PHX picks? Hmmmmmmm
Not sure why BKY does this though. Certainly one less year of Simmons isn’t that valuable to them
Mavs have lost/traded everyone that helped Luka get to the WCF. No glue pieces left.
I’d easily do that for 2 of those picks. BKY probably doesn’t though as you said.
But ya something like that or do a S&T for someone using one of them + remaining cap space etc…Will be interesting to see what happens with Dame/Harden and who is involved too..
Woj said that too, but then corrected to 2 for BOS 2 for DAL
Putting together deals in a dumb way (as the seconds were different, but simplifying).
We got 4 seconds for taking on Devonte and eating his contract, from Josh Richardson.
We (seemingly, as it's murky) gave up 4 seconds and took on Bullock to get an unprotected pick swap.
Essentially, taking on $23m-ish in total salary for an unprotected pick swap. Seems good.
Don't really see as much value in a pick swap 7 years into the future as some of the others here. Luka would only be 31 by then. So unless he leaves or is injured that season, who knows if this pick swap is advantageous. Guess spurs could always recover some value by flipping Bullocks later.
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