Report: Damian Lillard Requests Trade, Spurs on List of Preferred Teams

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Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.

That wouldn't work, because Ben makes about $15M more than Herro. Yet more complications due to salaries that are mismatched.

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Giving a good first round pick for Herro means very little because that pick can be attached to a bad contract.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nets are offering Ben Simmons and a good first round pick for Herro.

I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

[mo7888]

I agree it will come to 3 FRPs. I think part of what Portland is concerned about is this idea (right or wrong) that unprotected Miami FRPs will still be in the late teens or 20s. Basically they want to secure a chance at a higher quality pick, and Herro is the vehicle.

The questions is what team wants Herro and willing to cough something up like Portland wants? I'm sure they're out there, but its probably a team with limited flexibility. , the Spurs may be needed as a fourth team to absorb the 3rd team's trash.

Yup. It's hard for me to see anyone giving up a unprotected pick for Herro, unless a bad contract is attached. I think it'll have slight protections, but I'm just guessing..

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I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.

[Mr. Body]

I suck at salary and trade stuff. Who does Simmons end up with? Does anyone want him on their roster or is he just a buy-out candidate at this point?

He has one more year after this one. So it's not really that bad. BKN may have some incentive to see if he can actually play next season, but word is he's not well-liked by his teammates (some surprise). They may just want to get rid of him, but then next summer he's a big, juicy expiring.

[mo7888]

Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.

I'm not sure about Miami. Wasn't part of the reason Butler left Philly was because he didn't like playing with Simmons?

[Mr. Body]

Woj is floating that five teams are interested in Herro for a "good 1st-round pick.' Not sure what those teams are, furthermore how they could take his salary on. Assuming this is true, then, Portland must want more than those three picks, or else we'd be into the "working out details, trade agreed in principle" stage.

Is there any other place to shake a first round pick from?

I don't think there is. And I don't see how simple expiring contracts help much, either. Nurkic and Simmons are players Portland and Brooklyn wants to dump but the Spurs wouldn't have interest; nor would any other team who could, without compensation.

It really feels like this all comes down to Herro and whether a team will feel sorry/bored enough to throw in more compensation.

- No market for Herro: deal seems utterly dead

- One pick for Herro: total impasse

- Where does anything else come from?? This is it?

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Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.

Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)

Walton was before the current ownership and the Blazers accommodated Drexler once their championship contention window closed and they started to rebuild. Drexler requested a trade and they traded him to a great situation with the Rockets at that time. Their medical staff graduated from the Acme School of Veterinarian Medicine, but that doesn't mean they haven't treated their players right. It won't matter since like the Spurs no big name free agent is choosing Portland. They are best served getting whatever young upcoming player they can with as much draft capital as possible filled in with expiring contracts and call it a day. And that deal ain't happening with Miami's leftovers.

[mo7888]

Woj is floating that five teams are interested in Herro for a "good 1st-round pick.' Not sure what those teams are, furthermore how they could take his salary on. Assuming this is true, then, Portland must want more than those three picks, or else we'd be into the "working out details, trade agreed in principle" stage.

Is there any other place to shake a first round pick from?

I don't think there is. And I don't see how simple expiring contracts help much, either. Nurkic and Simmons are players Portland and Brooklyn wants to dump but the Spurs wouldn't have interest; nor would any other team who could, without compensation.

It really feels like this all comes down to Herro and whether a team will feel sorry/bored enough to throw in more compensation.

- No market for Herro: deal seems utterly dead

- One pick for Herro: total impasse

- Where does anything else come from?? This is it?

Pretty much sums it up I think. Portland can probably get 3 firsts and a bunch of swaps and not take bad salary back and not move Nurkic, but it's hard to see them getting much more. Like woj said, they aren't getting the KD Phoenix deal, but they'll get more than the Beal trade.

[Mr. Body]

Pretty much sums it up I think. Portland can probably get 3 firsts and a bunch of swaps and not take bad salary back and not move Nurkic, but it's hard to see them getting much more. Like woj said, they aren't getting the KD Phoenix deal, but they'll get more than the Beal trade.

OKC could be persuaded to drop the protections on that one Miami draft pick, but I'm sure Presti is turning the screws. Not that Miami can give anything, anyway.

As for seconds, Miami has a 2026 second (worst of OKC, Dallas, Philly), a 2029, and 2030. Man, good thing they're good at picking pieces off the bargain rack.

[MannyIsGod]

There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah ing right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

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Simmons has next to no value left and is quickly headed out of the League or to the Guangdong Tigers. I could see SA and Miami as the only 2 destinations where his career could be resurrected.

So if roster spots were not at a premium they might ... trade for him just to keep for the expiring? That sounds prohibitively expensive.

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There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah ing right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

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Portland is in a tough spot. They already have a rough reputation for the way Walton and Drexler divorces went down, coupled with their spotty history with medical issues. Players will be looking at how Portland handles this and it may impact their ability to attract talent in the future. It's not really fair the way they are being viewed however, considering that they just gave Dame a quarter-billion dollar extension last season.

Folks criticize the Spurs for always wanting to do-right by their players, but I think this is why they do it, to try and avoid situations like these. (Though obviously it didn't help with the Nephew situation)

What's the story on Drexler's exit from Portland? I remember with Walton they ruined his career by shooting him up with cortisone and telling him to play on a stress fracture. Same thing that killed Yao's career when he had to play in the Beijing Olympics with a stress fracture.

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There's definitely a market for Hero and to think there's not is insane. He's a good player and while his contract is large its not insane by any stretch. Its not a negative value contract.

Portland has said many times they're not going to rush this and with Lillard on a long term deal with little to no leverage here they don't have to. They're probably learning from what Philly did in trading Ben Simmons and just being patient. Is Dame going to sit out the season? Yeah ing right.

Hero is good, but he's not Dame good and why would Portland settle for any Miami offer? They can get more from another team and there's really nothing forcing their hand to move him for a lesser asset in Hero but that shouldn't imply there is no market for Hero.

What market, though? Woj claims there are five teams interested. Maybe there are. But everything going on is the same churn you get when a team is trying to create a market for a player. Very similar to Ben Simmons. "Oh yeah, we have lots of suitors." It's a classic way of catching interest.

If there is interest, then they're trying to bid things up and that doesn't seem to be happening. Herro has depressed value because everyone knows he needs to be moved, but if there really is interest then there wouldn't be this sluggish desperation and inertia.

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What's the story on Drexler's exit from Portland? I remember with Walton they ruined his career by shooting him up with cortisone and telling him to play on a stress fracture. Same thing that killed Yao's career when he had to play in the Beijing Olympics with a stress fracture.

IIRC they just slipped from contention due to aging players. Their window had more or less closed.

[mo7888]

OKC could be persuaded to drop the protections on that one Miami draft pick, but I'm sure Presti is turning the screws. Not that Miami can give anything, anyway.

As for seconds, Miami has a 2026 second (worst of OKC, Dallas, Philly), a 2029, and 2030. Man, good thing they're good at picking pieces off the bargain rack.

Portland should pray that we want Herro...

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So Lillard to Miami, Herro and Nurkic to Brooklyn, Simmons and 3 firsts to Portland (2 Miami and 1 Brooklyn)?

[MannyIsGod]

What market, though? Woj claims there are five teams interested. Maybe there are. But everything going on is the same churn you get when a team is trying to create a market for a player. Very similar to Ben Simmons. "Oh yeah, we have lots of suitors." It's a classic way of catching interest.

If there is interest, then they're trying to bid things up and that doesn't seem to be happening. Herro has depressed value because everyone knows he needs to be moved, but if there really is interest then there wouldn't be this sluggish desperation and inertia.

But he doesn't need to be moved. He's Miami's 3rd best asset in a trade for Lillard, but outside of acquiring Lillard they don't need to move him. That there are 5 teams trying to figure out how to get him shows there is definitely a market but that doesn't mean that any of those picks somehow make the trade palatable for Portland. Conflating Portland not feeling they are getting enough for Dame and Hero not having a market is just wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

The question we should be asking is who will be the better Laker, Kobe or Reaves.

Y'all have managed to turn Reaves in the Spurstalk meme of the offseason.

[mo7888]

Is Herro Austin Reeves good? Serious question.

They're different. Herro is a better shooter, but not by much. Reaves is a better creator, scorer on drives, and defender. Herro is younger. Is he Austin Reaves good? Probably so, strictly from an ability standpoint.

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IIRC they just slipped from contention due to aging players. Their window had more or less closed.

Yep. They lost in the first round a couple of times. Once to the Spurs. All the vets but Buck Williams were GONE in about a year.

Makes me happy because Rod Strickland ended up on a team.

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So if roster spots were not at a premium they might ... trade for him just to keep for the expiring? That sounds prohibitively expensive.

The Spurs are already loaded with expiring contracts. Swapping some of them for Simmons wouldn't affect this year's cap, only next year's. For enough draft capital maybe the Spurs would pull the trigger and just tell Simmons to stay home.

If the Nets want badly enough to get Herro and get off Simmons's contract, maybe they ship the Spurs an unprotected or lightly protected first (either their own or Phoenix's).

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They're different. Herro is a better shooter, but not by much. Reaves is a better creator, scorer on drives, and defender. Herro is younger. Is he Austin Reaves good? Probably so, strictly from an ability standpoint.

if i was having a night that required a guy to score 30 and win the game that way, herro by a long shot between the two

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The question we should be asking is who will be the better Laker, Kobe or Reaves.

Y'all have managed to turn Reaves in the Spurstalk meme of the offseason.

Don't lump me in with that . I only asked the question because the salaries aren't super far apart. I suspect many of the same people screeching for one hate the other.