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    We needed the salaries to get to the 'floor', even with the follow on Bullock trade.
    Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder. Say, something like we take Lonzo Ball (2 years, 21M per year) from Chicago and send them their '25 pick (pr. 10-8-8) back for their '26 pick unprotected. That has upside with possibly Cam Boozer and Cooper Flagg entering the draft.
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    Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder.
    The Rockets are paying the walking corpse of Jeff Green $8 million a season for no apparent reason.

    Gotta say the difference between using their cap to acquire ill-fitting pieces and using draft capital to get rid of their own first round picks... and us using cap space to take on more draft assets, I know which one I like.

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    Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder. Say, something like we take Lonzo Ball (2 years, 21M per year) from Chicago and send them their '25 pick (pr. 10-8-8) back for their '26 pick unprotected. That has upside with possibly Cam Boozer and Cooper Flagg entering the draft.
    For sure - its a fair question and I had same reaction when this happened first. Now, with Bullock trade, even though they aren’t “related” Im more ok with Cedi deal retroactively because it showed it was not just about money and taking most basic path for Cedi deal with our cap space in a truly boring and unimaginative way, but that they are open to other things too.

    But ya, in a bubble, fair to ask if doing the CLE deal was worth it and I don’t think it was. I would have rather just not gotten the pick there on that one and signed a player in free agency (like McDaniels) that actually may have some legit use and be traded for something better than Sa got from CLE.

    Not end of the world, but definitely stuff on the margins that’s worth considering.

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    Tbh, this trade looks more meh now due how awesome the Bullock trade was. You have to consider Osman as a long-term member of the team for it to be even close.

    Osman does have a really good locker room reputation. First player to arrive at practice, kind to everyone, befriends the janitors type guy

    When I took a closer look at his stats, what stood out is he's more of a volume three-point shooter than I thought. He's not quite at Graham's level but he shoots threes more of often than McDermott, Vassell and Keldon. A nice guy who just turned 28 who shoots a lot of threes? Sounds like a pretty good player to keep around Wemby for the next four or five years, tbh.
    Fair enough, but given Cleveland's track record as one of the most terribly run franchises you take their SRPs and run. They're not as bad a SAC, CHA, or WAS, but they're not far behind. Ask most teams today, and I think folks see that as a pick in the 30s.

    They'llturn Cedi into a few other picks too, or include him in a deal to bring back other dead salary at the deadline. My preference right now is a Feb deadline deal for Lonzo Ball and a late CHI FRP.

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    The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

    The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.

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    The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

    The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.
    I also think part of the issue was Boston being cheap. They not only didn’t want to sign Grant, but they didn’t want to add salary. That worked out in the Spurs favor otherwise you’d think Boston would have taken the swap for themselves

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    The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

    The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.
    True - may have been more opportunistic vs creative from SA side; Dallas had to give this up v Spurs demanding it. Either way it’s good, and accepting it shows an awareness IMO and may unlock some creative thinking moving forward I hope.

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    The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

    The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.
    It also helped that Dallas was trying to acquire 2 players that were RFA's, Williams and Matisse Thuybulle, and could only sign one to an offer sheet with their available cap room. It's hilarious that after they paid a premium to be able to go after both, Portland matched their offer sheet for Thybulle.

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    Much like the debate over Doug's contract over the years, I think a lot of people might be overlooking the fact that the Spurs might actually want Cedi.

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