We Still Need a Point Guard

[slick'81]

Can we also acknowledge that forcing Sochan into playing PG on an extended basis is also not going to cut it?

cant be anyworse then trey,tbh

[scott]

cant be anyworse then trey,tbh

Tre is a serviceable (low end starter, quality backup) NBA point guard. Sochan has good playmaking skills, but does not know how to play PG.

It can be worse than Tre, a lot worse, and it will come at the expense of the development of everyone else on the team.

I'm all for letting Sochan toy with the lead ballhandler/facilitator role for 5-10 minutes per game - but let's not spend key developmental time trying to force someone who isn't a PG into the PG position. We need that position to be serviceable so it doesn't hinder the development of everyone else (including Wemby).

[south side spur]

All y’all Wesley haters are really going to act like he isn’t slightly ahead of Murray’s development in year 2? What a joke. How soon we forget how awful Murray was in 2017 Summer League. Get a grip gentlemen.

I wasn’t going to dig for those 2017 Summer League threads but apparently Murray was Tony Romo he could play like garbage and all was forgiven. Murray advocates were so quick to make excuses and let everyone know there was nothing to see here. I did find Murray’s stats before they mercifully threw in the towel to avoid further humiliation.

Wesley is Murray all over again just have patience.

In other Husky news, Dejounte Murray didn’t shoot it well but did average 5.5 rebounds, 3.8 assists and 1.5 steals to compliment his 6.0 points per contest in four games with the summer Spurs.

Heading into Summer League, expectations were high that Murray would step onto the court against marginal NBA talent and dominate.


That didn’t happen. Murray struggled to make shots from the field, set up his guys for scores, finish around the basket — you name it.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Pop will have some fun lineups this year I'm sure. Tre made great strides last year, maybe he'll continue to add to his game.


But I agree that a good point guard makes a huge difference to a team. Depth at that position wouldn't be a bad thing.

[lefty20]

Tre is only 23. Dude improved a lot from his 2nd to 3rd year. I'm expecting to see another jump now that he's in his 4th year.

If he doesn't. Then the Spurs have the resources to get someone via a trade or just draft one with a possible lotto pick next year.

[RC_Drunkford]

All y’all Wesley haters are really going to act like he isn’t slightly ahead of Murray’s development in year 2? What a joke. How soon we forget how awful Murray was in 2017 Summer League. Get a grip gentlemen.

I wasn’t going to dig for those 2017 Summer League threads but apparently Murray was Tony Romo he could play like garbage and all was forgiven. Murray advocates were so quick to make excuses and let everyone know there was nothing to see here. I did find Murray’s stats before they mercifully threw in the towel to avoid further humiliation.

Wesley is Murray all over again just have patience.

that's the trajectory I'd compare him to as well. Meaning you'll really see what he can do by year 5 basically.

[sfernald]

Seconded.

Sorry I was at the ER with my dad. Here's Sham's quote. You have to read between the lines to assume that Spurs are one of the teams offering one first round pick. I think I read someone else connect spurs as likely one of the teams:

"I don't know if it will get to four. Miami has two they can trade outright. I think there are multiple teams who would trade at least one first round pick for Tyler Herro. So then you're maybe looking at expiring contracts, potentially three first round picks, maybe more. Maybe other assets, swaps."

[JPB]

All y’all Wesley haters are really going to act like he isn’t slightly ahead of Murray’s development in year 2? What a joke. How soon we forget how awful Murray was in 2017 Summer League. Get a grip gentleman.

I wasn’t going to dig for those 2017 Summer League threads but apparently Murray was Tony Romo he could play like garbage and all was forgiven. Murray advocates were so quick to make excuses and let everyone know there was nothing to see here. I did find Murray’s stats before they mercifully threw in the towel to avoid further humiliation.

Wesley is Murray all over again just have patience.

He's not and they're different players. Murray's potential was always higher to start with due to his long arms and defensive instincts. you could see the PG skills and potential as a creator and passer. It was a question of develpoing or not his handles and offensive game, then learning the ropes as a PG, which he did. But you could see a potential NBA player who actually spent a lot of time in a team filled with HOfers..

Wesley doesn't really look like an NBA player now and there's nothing in his game that lets suggest he could be a valuable one. it's not like Murray suddenly discovered himself all the talent and skills he has now, he didn't go form scrub to all star. There was something there. You don't really see anything that stands out in Wesley whose defense is suspect, who is not a pure shooter and lacks PG instincts/skills. He's just a PG in name, cos he doesn't look like one on the court.

He couldn't even really crack a tanking team with an average starting PG and filled with reclamation projects. And the simple fact we wonder if he should spend another year in Austin says it all. Spurs quickly saw something in Murray, I'm not sure they have seen anything in Wesley after one year+.

[ChumpDumper]

Between the French playoffs and summer league, few of us have even seen Wemby play with a point guard at all. Might as well see what Tre and Graham can do with him.

[TD 21]

Wait for a solid point guard to be available for a reasonable price?
All of you people who want a point guard just keep talking about it and yet noone ever mentions any realistic solutions.

Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap (spurstalk.com)

Report: Damian Lillard Requests Trade, Spurs on List of Preferred Teams - Page 12 (spurstalk.com)

2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT - Page 63 (spurstalk.com)

Ranked: The 50 Free Agents Most Likely to Sign with the Spurs - Page 2 (spurstalk.com)

[south side spur]

Murray 6’10” wingspan. Wesley 6’9” wingspan. That’s a wash. Defensive instincts? Murray was always more playing the passing lanes and gambling for steals than he was a fundamental defensive player. Murray routinely got abused by SGA and similar guards. Wesley is not a pure shooter and doesn’t have point guard instincts and skills but Murray in year 2 did? Those were the exact same criticisms of Murray.

[TheChillFactor]

derrick white would be the perfect point guard for this team

[tonight...you]

Sorry I was at the ER with my dad. Here's Sham's quote. You have to read between the lines to assume that Spurs are one of the teams offering one first round pick. I think I read someone else connect spurs as likely one of the teams:

"I don't know if it will get to four. Miami has two they can trade outright. I think there are multiple teams who would trade at least one first round pick for Tyler Herro. So then you're maybe looking at expiring contracts, potentially three first round picks, maybe more. Maybe other assets, swaps."

Hope everybody is okay buddy.

[LeBowen]

Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap (spurstalk.com)

Report: Damian Lillard Requests Trade, Spurs on List of Preferred Teams - Page 12 (spurstalk.com)

2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT - Page 63 (spurstalk.com)

Ranked: The 50 Free Agents Most Likely to Sign with the Spurs - Page 2 (spurstalk.com)

Maxey most definitely isn't a traditional point guard and can't run an offense.

Quickley would be nice, I like him as a player, but he isn't a traditional PG, either.

And I said realistic targets. Most NBA fans have this issue of jot being able to look at the trade from both sides.
Maxey would cost way too much in both assets and upcoming extension. If they even want to trade him.

Quickley also isn't on the market unless it's an overpay.

[Obstructed_View]

Tre is a serviceable (low end starter, quality backup) NBA point guard. Sochan has good playmaking skills, but does not know how to play PG.

It can be worse than Tre, a lot worse, and it will come at the expense of the development of everyone else on the team.

I'm all for letting Sochan toy with the lead ballhandler/facilitator role for 5-10 minutes per game - but let's not spend key developmental time trying to force someone who isn't a PG into the PG position. We need that position to be serviceable so it doesn't hinder the development of everyone else (including Wemby).

The Spurs have been trying to force Wesley into the point position, and they invested the same wasted effort on Josh Primo. Sochan is currently the best point guard on the roster.

[Mugen]

Not a traditional PG but I'd sniff around Lavine during the deadline and next offseason tbh. I think with Sochans passing and Wemby hopefully getting more comfortable as a facilitator, the need for a true PG becomes less and less. You need a guy that can initiate the offense that teams will have to respect while getting Wemby a ton of easy looks a la Jamal Murray.

Spurs easily have the pieces to get something like that done with Keldon, salary cap relief and a few firsts. And if it doesn't work, you can cut bait without losing too much just in time for Sochan and Wemby's extensions.

Lavine/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby/Zollins

[TD 21]

Of the definitely available group, I don't see any point in Dosunmu (restricted and combo), Hayes, Mann (combo; more SG) or Fultz and not much of a point in Brogdon (combo), Anthony and Wright (combo; more PG).

Which is why I always come back to . . .

Maxey most definitely isn't a traditional point guard and can't run an offense.

Quickley would be nice, I like him as a player, but he isn't a traditional PG, either.

And I said realistic targets. Most NBA fans have this issue of jot being able to look at the trade from both sides.
Maxey would cost way too much in both assets and upcoming extension. If they even want to trade him.

Quickley also isn't on the market unless it's an overpay.

I realize they're both combo (closer to just plain undersized SG's offensively) guards, but they're best suited to defending PG's and on this team would immediately become the primary initiators.

I admitted Maxey is an extreme longshot. Quickley, while not "on the market", is clearly attainable. Even if the Knicks aren't initially interested, all they have to do is send a message to his agent that they're prepared to exceed the 4/$80M next off season that the Knicks are apparently comfortable with.

[BacktoBasics]

The Spurs have been trying to force Wesley into the point position, and they invested the same wasted effort on Josh Primo. Sochan is currently the best point guard on the roster.

There’s plenty of times I’ll agree with your takes but no. Sochan is a great change of pace and can create fun mismatches for small spurts in games but he’s not the best “point guard” on the team. Tre is a great back up pg and sufficient temporary starter and easily the best pg on the team.

[baseline bum]

that is why i cannot believe the spurs havent gone out to get Lillard - a star who wont just be around every season waiting for them.

He's ing 33 and the team would need to mortgage their future to get him. And he doesn't want to be here. No thanks.

[rankingtear]

agreed. Which is why I think we need to bring in a good point guard this year. They should’ve sacrificed those picks to bring in Anthony Black.

ORL asks for 7 first would you do it?

[baseline bum]

not sure if we are disagreeing -

im just saying - wait -

wait to see if this kid is truly a generational talent and if he is he might not need 3 seasons to mature and get better -

oh he will get better by year three - barring injuries - but he might not suck the first 2 seasons

Was LeBron not a generational talent? Still took him three years to make the playoffs.

[Dejounte]

Murray 6’10” wingspan. Wesley 6’9” wingspan. That’s a wash. Defensive instincts? Murray was always more playing the passing lanes and gambling for steals than he was a fundamental defensive player. Murray routinely got abused by SGA and similar guards. Wesley is not a pure shooter and doesn’t have point guard instincts and skills but Murray in year 2 did? Those were the exact same criticisms of Murray.

Exactly this lol. I followed Murray closely obviously and Spurstalk’s discussions around him year after year. There’s revisionist history going on here…

[RC_Drunkford]

there are only 2 options: Garland and Doncic

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Exactly this lol. I followed Murray closely obviously and Spurstalk’s discussions around him year after year. There’s revisionist history going on here…

Yeah, Murray was cringe-worthy running the point those first couple of years. I think even he has revisionist history when he retells his early career. He didn't deserve to start over Tony early on...not even close.

[RC_Drunkford]

Exactly this lol. I followed Murray closely obviously and Spurstalk’s discussions around him year after year. There’s revisionist history going on here…

the majority of the posters here said Murray wasn't a PG up to his 4th NBA season. There were multiple threads about it made. Until DJ got in the gym playing 5 on 5 working on his passing skills and working out with Poeltl to hit him at the right time when he rolls and became an All-Star, about 60% of the board was hating on him