We Still Need a Point Guard

[mo7888]

The situation between Murray and Wesley is very different though. Murray had TP in front of him those early years and Wesley doesn't have that benefit. I just wish we had a veteran for he and Tre to work with.

[Dejounte]

The situation between Murray and Wesley is very different though. Murray had TP in front of him those early years and Wesley doesn't have that benefit. I just wish we had a veteran for he and Tre to work with.

The same TP that Murray went on an interview to cry about him not even being there for him his entire time he was on the team? IIRC, he was basically saying TP ghosted him and wanted to have nothing to do with him.

[sfernald]

Hope everybody is okay buddy.

Thanks but naw not doing well. My mom passed away two months ago and my dad has been fading fast ever since. I don't think he will be around much longer.

[tonight...you]

Thanks but naw not doing well. My mom passed away two months ago and my dad has been fading fast ever since. I don't think he will be around much longer.

Sending good vibes brother. Terrible situation.
Much love.

[mo7888]

The same TP that Murray went on an interview to cry about him not even being there for him his entire time he was on the team? IIRC, he was basically saying TP ghosted him and wanted to have nothing to do with him.

And that could be true, but even if it is it provided time for Murray to watch, learn, and mature before he was put in a position of real responsibility. We don't have that and I don't see many avenues to acquire it.

[Mr. Body]

This team will be fine. Tre is a good starting PG. He does what you need, moving the ball, attacking when he needs to, and can defend. The Spurs have a non-helio offense where the ball moves around because of drives and reads and other actions. Getting Wembanyama the ball won't be a huge issue, and we have a number of bigs who are good passers.

Wesley and Branham will be fine. There were a couple of plays last night where Blake clearly saw Victor moving toward the basket but didn't deliver the ball, I'd say because he didn't trust himself. Those are passes that they'll get comfortable delivering.

[Dejounte]

And that could be true, but even if it is it provided time for Murray to watch, learn, and mature before he was put in a position of real responsibility. We don't have that and I don't see many avenues to acquire it.

IMO, i think it’s all hands on deck this time around as far as the big 3 being around the team teaching the kids how to play. I’d argue that Manu is way more involved with that now than he has ever been in the past. The Spurs are planning something with Manu, and I can’t put my finger on it tbh

[Spurs Homer]

He's ing 33 and the team would need to mortgage their future to get him. And he doesn't want to be here. No thanks.

So what?

You take the chance - and the Spurs are not mortgaging their future -

you try to do everything - EVERY YEAR that wemby is a spur -there are no guarantees that in 2-3-4 years everything will fall perfectly on your timeline/schedule

Lillard is still an elite point guard and scorer.
The spurs are in a position to acquire him.
Lillard is looking for a place to win his le - there is no better place.
Wemby could learn from lillard and lillard would benefit also.

This at ude that wemby is like all other players and even lebron this and lebron that
that

this is not lebron and he might win earlier than anyone else.

Unless you put him in a box and assume you know which way he will progress and how many years in YOUR MIND - he will need to be ready

gtfo

[mo7888]

IMO, i think it’s all hands on deck this time around as far as the big 3 being around the team teaching the kids how to play. I’d argue that Manu is way more involved with that now than he has ever been in the past. The Spurs are planning something with Manu, and I can’t put my finger on it tbh

The Manu thing is interesting....it could be very impactful... I'm very interested to see where that goes..

[Extra Stout]

So what?

You take the chance - and the Spurs are not mortgaging their future -

you try to do everything - EVERY YEAR that wemby is a spur -there are no guarantees that in 2-3-4 years everything will fall perfectly on your timeline/schedule

Lillard is still an elite point guard and scorer.
The spurs are in a position to acquire him.
Lillard is looking for a place to win his le - there is no better place.
Wemby could learn from lillard and lillard would benefit also.

This at ude that wemby is like all other players and even lebron this and lebron that
that

this is not lebron and he might win earlier than anyone else.

Unless you put him in a box and assume you know which way he will progress and how many years in YOUR MIND - he will need to be ready

gtfo

Lillard is good, but is he Austin Reaves good?

[Spurs Homer]

Lillard is good, but is he Austin Reaves good?

Irrelevant - reaves already re-upped with the lakers

[Obstructed_View]

There’s plenty of times I’ll agree with your takes but no. Sochan is a great change of pace and can create fun mismatches for small spurts in games but he’s not the best “point guard” on the team. Tre is a great back up pg and sufficient temporary starter and easily the best pg on the team.

I stand by my statement. 99 percent of ST thinks Tre isn't capable of starting. Jeremy does a bunch of things Tre can't do and his pairing with Victor is going to be special.

[objective]

A Lillard-Wemby pick and roll might be the most damaging play in basketball. Someone somewhere is going to have a wide open shot.

Tre Jones-Wemby doesn't exactly have the same kind of impact. No one cares if Jones wants to shoot a three.

[cutewizard]

Maybe Manu is being groomed as the next Head Coach, coz otherwise why is Bud not here yet, hehehe

[cutewizard]

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[baseline bum]

So what?

You take the chance - and the Spurs are not mortgaging their future -

you try to do everything - EVERY YEAR that wemby is a spur -there are no guarantees that in 2-3-4 years everything will fall perfectly on your timeline/schedule

Lillard is still an elite point guard and scorer.
The spurs are in a position to acquire him.
Lillard is looking for a place to win his le - there is no better place.
Wemby could learn from lillard and lillard would benefit also.

This at ude that wemby is like all other players and even lebron this and lebron that
that

this is not lebron and he might win earlier than anyone else.

Unless you put him in a box and assume you know which way he will progress and how many years in YOUR MIND - he will need to be ready

gtfo

Four firsts and one of Keldon / Vassell / Sochan is the price. That's mortgaging your ing future for a guy way on the wrong side of 30. Stupid trades like that will ensure Wemby walks after 6-7 years when he has to be a one man team.

[cutewizard]

[cutewizard]

[jesterbobman]

Is Lilliard - Bullock - Johnson - Wemby - Collins (with Tre / Sochan / Wesley / Doug / Cedi) a good enough lineup to win a le? I think that's a no other than a small % chance that things could go perfectly, and getting Lillard with Vassell and like 4 picks going out would lose options in the future that could get us to genuine contender status for a decade plus.

At some point, I'm sure the Spurs, will get into asset acquisition mode and use picks to upgrade, but I don't think there's much point in going all in to build a short term team that will be close to capped out and has limited assets to get better.

[DAF86]

The Spurs should have just been more agressive trying to trade up for one of the many PG projects in this past draft. Most of them playing up to expectations in Summer League: Scoot, Amen, Black, Wallace, Bufkin, Hood-Schifino, George or just get one with 33 (Kolby Jones, Amari Bailey), or even 44 (Terquavion Smith).

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs should have just been more agressive trying to trade up for one of the many PG projects in this past draft. Most of them playing up to expectations in Summer League: Scoot, Amen, Black, Wallace, Bufkin, Hood-Schifino, George or just get one with 33 (Kolby Jones, Amari Bailey), or even 44 (Terquavion Smith).

How?

[rascal]

And that could be true, but even if it is it provided time for Murray to watch, learn, and mature before he was put in a position of real responsibility. We don't have that and I don't see many avenues to acquire it.

The best way is a soft tank and get into the top 7 on draft day and draft one next year. There are three or four very good options next year.

[DAF86]

How?

The Hornets pick and some 2nds. Heck, if there was someone the Spurs really liked, I would have even offered Keldon.

But if you didn't want to trade up there were still very good prospects at 33 in Colby Jones or Amari Bailey. I will never understand giving up what was basically a late first rounder for 2 late second rounders, tbh.

[BacktoBasics]

The Hornets pick and some 2nds. Heck, if there was someone the Spurs really liked, I would have even offered Keldon.

But if you didn't want to trade up there were still very good prospects at 33 in Colby Jones or Amari Bailey. I will never understand giving up what was basically a late first rounder for 2 late second rounders, tbh.

Subtracting Keldons offensive this early in Wembys career is a bad idea. None of those pgs are going to come in and replace that much offense and it’s too much for Wemby to shoulder.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs should have just been more agressive trying to trade up for one of the many PG projects in this past draft. Most of them playing up to expectations in Summer League: Scoot, Amen, Black, Wallace, Bufkin, Hood-Schifino, George or just get one with 33 (Kolby Jones, Amari Bailey), or even 44 (Terquavion Smith).

Terquavion Smith - not a pg, undersize volume shooter

Colby Jones - we'll see
Amari Bailey - we'll see

Scoot & Amen - were completely out of range

Cason Wallace - required a late lottery or near-lottery pick to move up to acquire, which we didn't have

Kobe Bufkin - apparently not attainable before/when Atlanta picked him

Hood-Schifino - probably the same story here

Anthony Black - completely out of range

Keyonte George - not really a point guard

In short: Scoot, Amen, Black were always out of range. Wallace required something the Spurs didnt have. Bufkin and JHS were in a range where I don't see any of those teams interested in moving out.

Beyond that point, we're looking at players where the cost/benefit does not push them past the known quan y of Tre Jones, who the team values more than this message board does. I don't understand the movement at 33, but that's not a big deal. We'll see if Amari Bailey was a miss, but I don't think so. Colby Jones might have been a miss, we'll see.