We Still Need a Point Guard

[scott]

Spurs don't need another PG who needs to figure out how to be a quality NBA player. We already have that in Blake Wesley. For 2023-24, we only need a PG who can be about as good as Tre Jones. Anything better is gravy. Just need someone who isn't hindering the development of all the other youngs by his inep ude (which would be Wesley if he was the starting or backup PG). Where we get this guy, IDK. We may even already have him in Devonte.

[CGD]

Better start doing research on whether this is a good pg draft coming up or not. That’s what the 2024 picks are for.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs don't need another PG who needs to figure out how to be a quality NBA player. We already have that in Blake Wesley. For 2023-24, we only need a PG who can be about as good as Tre Jones. Anything better is gravy. Just need someone who isn't hindering the development of all the other youngs by his inep ude (which would be Wesley if he was the starting or backup PG). Where we get this guy, IDK. We may even already have him in Devonte.

I think you're saying the player we need to be Tre Jones is Tre Jones.

For me, aside from the fact the team values Jones, is that we need to account for the resource costs of marginal improvements over our current PG core (Jones, Graham, Wesley) and that the chance for a simple marginal improvement is not worth it at this time.

[mo7888]

The best way is a soft tank and get into the top 7 on draft day and draft one next year. There are three or four very good options next year.

I disagree... They should focus on winning and reestablishing a winning mindset... if they see someone in the top 7 they really want they have the assets to move up and get him.

[rascal]

I disagree... They should focus on winning and reestablishing a winning mindset... if they see someone in the top 7 they really want they have the assets to move up and get him.

Move up?

Not that again.
You saw how that worked this year.

[Russ]

Terquavion Smith - not a pg, undersize volume shooter . . .

Beyond that point, we're looking at players where the cost/benefit does not push them past the known quan y of Tre Jones, who the team values more than this message board does. I don't understand the movement at 33, but that's not a big deal. We'll see if Amari Bailey was a miss, but I don't think so. Colby Jones might have been a miss, we'll see.

Won't get into this too much, but simply in the interest of fair and accurate reporting . . .

Terquavion Smith is not all that undersized, he's three inches taller than the guy you mentioned, Tre Jones (6'4" vs. 6'1"). He's also a very good shooter (another distinction for purposes of this comparison). He's also a way better passer.

Just sayin.

[Mr. Body]

Move up?

Not that again.
You saw how that worked this year.

OKC moved up to 10 because they were already in the range.

Spurs couldn't move up, because they weren't. The Spurs, if you missed it, had the number 1 pick instead.

[Mr. Body]

Won't get into this too much, but simply in the interest of fair and accurate reporting . . .

Terquavion Smith is not all that undersized, he's three inches taller than Tre Jones (6'1" vs. 6'4"). He's also a very good shooter (another distinction for purposes of this comparison). He's also a way better passer.

Just sayin.

Just totally disagree about Terquavion. He's an inefficient chucker and not the passer you think he is. But I get that you're a fan.

[mo7888]

Move up?

Not that again.
You saw how that worked this year.

They either didn't really or didn't see anything they thought were worth the price because they had the assets to do it if they wanted.

[Russ]

Just totally disagree about Terquavion. He's an inefficient chucker and not the passer you think he is. But I get that you're a fan.

Yes, I'm afraid we're all fans, right?

[scott]

I think you're saying the player we need to be Tre Jones is Tre Jones.

For me, aside from the fact the team values Jones, is that we need to account for the resource costs of marginal improvements over our current PG core (Jones, Graham, Wesley) and that the chance for a simple marginal improvement is not worth it at this time.

I was more referring to the minutes where Tre is on the bench, because he can't play them all. I think Monte Morris would have been good, but Devonte Graham may be plenty good enough as well. The Spurs aren't competing this year so don't need an all star point guard right now, but they also don't need someone like rookie DJM futzing with the development of everyone else while he learns how to play basketball for 20 minutes a game.

[Mr. Body]

I was more referring to the minutes where Tre is on the bench, because he can't play them all. I think Monte Morris would have been good, but Devonte Graham may be plenty good enough as well. The Spurs aren't competing this year so don't need an all star point guard right now, but they also don't need someone like rookie DJM futzing with the development of everyone else while he learns how to play basketball for 20 minutes a game.

Okay. My point, then, is that there's no reason to get Monte Morris. What good does that do? You're not raising the position in any substantive way and using resources to get him. Graham is fine. The Spurs should move only if they can substantively upgrade. We have too many players as it is.

[TrainOfThought5]

ORL asks for 7 first would you do it?

I’d do it for 5.

[TrainOfThought5]

Who?

what do you mean who?! We refused to trade up for one out the four possible choices in the draft.

[Kurik]

Better start doing research on whether this is a good pg draft coming up or not. That’s what the 2024 picks are for.

The way too early consensus seems to be Isaiah Collier at USC is the top PG prospect for now, supposed to have great passing skills especially in the half court and lobs. Bigger frame than Tre and should be a better finisher but it’s too early to know for sure. Will be interesting see how he plays next to Bronny James.

[KobesAchilles]

This team will be fine. Tre is a good starting PG. He does what you need, moving the ball, attacking when he needs to, and can defend. The Spurs have a non-helio offense where the ball moves around because of drives and reads and other actions. Getting Wembanyama the ball won't be a huge issue, and we have a number of bigs who are good passers.

Wesley and Branham will be fine. There were a couple of plays last night where Blake clearly saw Victor moving toward the basket but didn't deliver the ball, I'd say because he didn't trust himself. Those are passes that they'll get comfortable delivering.

There’s literally nothing about Tre Jones that is a good PG. He is bottom 5 in the league as a starter. That’s just a fact.

[Proxy]

lets just run it back with Wemby added and Pop not tanking and go from there

[Mr. Body]

There’s literally nothing about Tre Jones that is a good PG. He is bottom 5 in the league as a starter. That’s just a fact.

I really hope you pick up the phone and let the front office know.

[rankingtear]

I’d do it for 5.

5 won't get it done. Nobody has traded into top 6 with just future picks. Trade a young All star or ridiculous amounts of picks nobody can refuse. 7-8 is getting into wtf territory for mid lottery that should get it done even then teams just fall in love with prospects and would rather pick their guy, the package your offering would just affirm their evaluation of players in that range. Take note that UTA with 6 extra unprotected and a pick close to that range also tried to get Black.

[Spurs Homer]

Four firsts and one of Keldon / Vassell / Sochan is the price. That's mortgaging your ing future for a guy way on the wrong side of 30. Stupid trades like that will ensure Wemby walks after 6-7 years when he has to be a one man team.

Hopefully, spurs at least try - and by try I do NOT mean give up 4 frp's and one of those players -

but 2 frp and some 2nd rps and keldon or vassell (one only)- that might do it since miami cannot top that...

[scott]

Okay. My point, then, is that there's no reason to get Monte Morris. What good does that do? You're not raising the position in any substantive way and using resources to get him. Graham is fine. The Spurs should move only if they can substantively upgrade. We have too many players as it is.

The crux is on whether Graham is good enough. If he is, I agree. If he's not, then you get a Monte Morris.

Definitely more on board with Graham soaking up all of those backup minutes as opposed to some developmental 33rd pick. We talked a lot about about trading up for a PG, but the more I think about it (and see Blake in action) the more I think that would have only be smart if for one of the top 4 PGs (Scoot, Amen, Black, Bufkin).

[Mr. Body]

what do you mean who?! We refused to trade up for one out the four possible choices in the draft.

Yes, we 'refused'.

[Kurik]

I think he’ll be fine in his career after some time but Anthony Black is having a horrible game today, currently a -21 versus the Pacers.

[Mr. Body]

The crux is on whether Graham is good enough. If he is, I agree. If he's not, then you get a Monte Morris.

Definitely more on board with Graham soaking up all of those backup minutes as opposed to some developmental 33rd pick. We talked a lot about about trading up for a PG, but the more I think about it (and see Blake in action) the more I think that would have only be smart if for one of the top 4 PGs (Scoot, Amen, Black, Bufkin).

You're still missing the point. In order to get Morris, you have to use a pick and take on his salary. Tack-on costs include not knowing whether he's a cultural fit and that you'd then have to do something with Graham. (Morris is also a bad defender.) I think Morris is on an expiring, so at least you don't have to work to get rid of him after this year. But overall it just doesn't make sense. You're making a marginal, at-most lateral move when Morris isn't better than Graham enough to do it.

But I agree about the top PGs.

[baseline bum]

Hopefully, spurs at least try - and by try I do NOT mean give up 4 frp's and one of those players -

but 2 frp and some 2nd rps and keldon or vassell (one only)- that might do it since miami cannot top that...

I'd love Lillard if they were just giving him away like that. Don't see it though.