Shams: Spurs Trade for Reggie Bullock and Unprotected 2030 First Round Pick Swap

[Russ]

well when the Spurs are the best team in the west, how is he going to do this?

Ya got me there. But he'll try to make the "pick gap" as little as possible and I wouldn't bet against him.

[spurraider21]

Of course, the elephant (literally) in the room is Jokic.

there will always be outliers of course

[spurraider21]

Ya got me there. But he'll try to make the "pick gap" as little as possible and I wouldn't bet against him.

the way to make the pick gap as little as possible is for the mavs to be a very good team. thats not some nefarious mark cuban plot... to make the mavs good!

[Joseph Kony]

thinking mark cuban is suddenly going to make the Mavs good just to spite the Spurs in 7 years. this is the guy that made absolutely no attempt at defending their lone le. what an awful take

[exstatic]

Russ perhaps is suggesting that Cuban will have the Mavs go over the second tax apron this year and another year in the next four to ensure that 2030 pick is at the end of the first round. That would be cutting off his nose to spite his face, but following the line of thinking he just hates the Spurs that much.

The pick that would be frozen would be 2031, since they wouldn’t be 2nd apron offenders until they have a chance to shed salary in season. There’s a lot of other scary that even Cuban wants no part of, like you can’t take $1 more salary in trade than you send out. No more buffer amount over/under. You also cannot send picks out to shed salary. Your cap/tax figure can only fall by letting players roll off.

[Seventyniner]

The pick that would be frozen would be 2031, since they wouldn’t be 2nd apron offenders until they have a chance to shed salary in season. There’s a lot of other scary that even Cuban wants no part of, like you can’t take $1 more salary in trade than you send out. No more buffer amount over/under. You also cannot send picks out to shed salary. Your cap/tax figure can only fall by letting players roll off.

I hope they throw a CBA amendment in that closes this loophole. If the idea is to give disincentives for teams going over the second apron too often, they shouldn't be allowed to trade away useless swaps like that. An easy fix is to just have the offending team's first round pick moved to the end of the first after all swaps have been used.

[exstatic]

I hope they throw a CBA amendment in that closes this loophole. If the idea is to give disincentives for teams going over the second apron too often, they shouldn't be allowed to trade away useless swaps like that. An easy fix is to just have the offending team's first round pick moved to the end of the first after all swaps have been used.

Technically, a swap is a possible pick trade, and they’re not allowed to trade the pick even before it’s sent to the end of the round a year later.

[scott]

LJ Ellis has alluded to this possibility:

The Spurs could offer as part of a trade for a star player:
2026: The better of the ATL and SAS picks
2028: The better of the BOS and SAS picks
2030: The better of the DAL and SAS picks

This would be more valuable than trading just for the Spurs’ own picks, which would probably always be near or at the end of the first round.

Bingo. This is where the real value comes in for us.

[Ariel]

The pick that would be frozen would be 2031, since they wouldn’t be 2nd apron offenders until they have a chance to shed salary in season. There’s a lot of other scary that even Cuban wants no part of, like you can’t take $1 more salary in trade than you send out. No more buffer amount over/under. You also cannot send picks out to shed salary. Your cap/tax figure can only fall by letting players roll off.

I hope they throw a CBA amendment in that closes this loophole. If the idea is to give disincentives for teams going over the second apron too often, they shouldn't be allowed to trade away useless swaps like that. An easy fix is to just have the offending team's first round pick moved to the end of the first after all swaps have been used.

The penalty should fall on the first pick currently unavailable for trade, once it kicks in (say, if it were right now it should fall on their '31 pick). That way the value loss falls on the offending team.
But it may be too light, as they'd project themselves (rightly or not) at the end of the first anyway, so I'd go further if they're really serious:
1) take their first round pick outright, leaving them only their second round pick. You strip them of an asset.
or (if that's too harsh)
2) drop that pick to the bottom of the first AND make it ineligible for trade so that they can't use it as an asset.
That should do the trick.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I think the most hilarious outcome for the swap is the spurs trading it back to Dallas in a package for Luka after he begs out.

[baseline bum]

Of course, the elephant (literally) in the room is Jokic.

If Wemby develops into a yearly MVP candidate the way we are all expecting him to Jokic will probably be 32 or 33 by the time the Spurs are contenders. OKC is going to be a bas to deal with though.

[Ariel]

If Wemby develops into a yearly MVP candidate the way we are all expecting him to Jokic will probably be 32 or 33 by the time the Spurs are contenders. OKC is going to be a bas to deal with though.

Agreed, especially because they have so much ammo that even if they screw up they can keep reloading again and again. But if we play our cards right, we're not far behind, just a little behind their schedule.

[scott]

The penalty should fall on the first pick currently unavailable for trade, once it kicks in (say, if it were right now it should fall on their '31 pick). That way the value loss falls on the offending team.
But it may be too light, as they'd project themselves (rightly or not) at the end of the first anyway, so I'd go further if they're really serious:
1) take their first round pick outright, leaving them only their second round pick. You strip them of an asset.
or (if that's too harsh)
2) drop that pick to the bottom of the first AND make it ineligible for trade so that they can't use it as an asset.
That should do the trick.

I wonder if the penalty would still apply in the year of a swap, but be applied after the Swap. So in this example, say the Spurs have pick #24 and the Mavs pick #12 in 2030... the Spurs would move up to #12 with the Swap, and then the Mavs would drop from #24 to #30 as their second apron penalty.

Otherwise, a team would ignore the second apron penalty in a scenario where they have traded all their FRPs and Swaps.

Edit: I now see seventyniner already said the same thing. Though this does not address the penalty of not allowing you to trade your picks.

[exstatic]

Of course, the elephant (literally) in the room is Jokic.

Against Wemby is where his lack of athleticism will be exposed. He can get that soft little floater off against everyone else.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

If Wemby develops into a yearly MVP candidate the way we are all expecting him to Jokic will probably be 32 or 33 by the time the Spurs are contenders. OKC is going to be a bas to deal with though.

Funny, I was just having the OKC conversation with someone else. It’s a little scary what they’ve got in terms of future potential.

They’ll return to being our biggest obstacle for getting to the Finals.

[baseline bum]

Funny, I was just having the OKC conversation with someone else. It’s a little scary what they’ve got in terms of future potential.

They’ll return to being our biggest obstacle for getting to the Finals.

They're scary enough without Holmgren but he has looked like a monster in the summer leagues. Definitely expecting him to be extremely tough compe ion for Wemby in the ROY race, especially if OKC can win 50 games.

[Bruno]

Stevens will likely be waived very soon.

It was these talks that slow down the completion of this trade.

[spurraider21]

Stevens will likely be waived very soon.

good info

i know that often times guarantees have to be adjusted to make trades work (happened with CP3 as well), so it seemed very odd that Stevens would be included in the deal with 0 guaranteed. 400k is still virtually nothing. easy decision to waive imo

[timvp]

Stevens will likely be waived very soon.

Yeah, that sounds like the Spurs basically agreed to waive him. No other reason to move it up to that specific date.

Then again, $1.9 million itself is a rounding error these days so the Spurs may keep him if they have any interest in him at all.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, that sounds like the Spurs basically agreed to waive him. No other reason to move it up to that specific date.

Then again, $1.9 million itself is a rounding error these days so the Spurs may keep him if they have any interest in him at all.

unless we get some consolidation trades, we already are going to need to waive at least 2 guys (more if cissoko needs a big boy contract. also noteworthy that barlow hasnt signed a 2-way either).

other than birch, dont think theres anybody they'd waive before stevens. guys like cedi/bullock are at least decent expiring deals.

[Seventyniner]

Yeah, that sounds like the Spurs basically agreed to waive him. No other reason to move it up to that specific date.

Then again, $1.9 million itself is a rounding error these days so the Spurs may keep him if they have any interest in him at all.

It's more about roster spots than salary at this point.

[BatManu20]

We’ll always have the memories.

[Bruno]

Buyout likely means he has agreed to take less than his full salary. We will see how much it is. Good luck to him with his future team.

[Degoat]

Seems like the spurs must have fallen for Cedi? Lol

[Mr. Body]

Never Mind the Bullock

Looks like the chances of facilitating bigger trades disappeared. I'd expect the long weird retential of Birch to be extinguished and we have our team.